CriticalFumble.net Forums  

Go Back   CriticalFumble.net Forums > CriticalFumble.net Community Forums > Gamers: Ethics & Religion

Gamers: Ethics & Religion Discussion of ethics and religion and what place they have around the gaming table. The point of this forum is to give space to all the ethical stuff that is or is not relevant that gamers insist on talking about anyway. Also much discussion of real-world issues including religion and politics. THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR THE THIN-SKINNED! You have been warned.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-12-2017, 03:55 PM
Salah_ad_Din's Avatar
Salah_ad_Din Salah_ad_Din is offline
Quixotic Iconoclast
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tyre
Posts: 16,627
Salah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond reputeSalah_ad_Din has a reputation beyond repute
Default What it mean to be Alt-Right

The Nazis are bold these days, here's Richard Spencer's manifesto:

What It Means To Be Alt-Right
A meta-political manifesto for the Alt-Right movement.

https://altright.com/2017/08/11/what...-be-alt-right/
__________________
"When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people; as I grow older, I admire kind people." -Abraham Heschel

In a world of violence, the cross, that eminently counter-cultural symbol that lies at the heart of the Christian faith, is a scandal. -Miroslav Wolf

Visit my blog!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-12-2017, 06:01 PM
Chimaera's Avatar
Chimaera Chimaera is offline
Radiation Romeo
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Los Alamos
Posts: 16,736
Chimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Clearly, this asshole was punched neither hard enough, nor frequently enough.
__________________
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -- Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-13-2017, 02:25 AM
Ischade's Avatar
Ischade Ischade is offline
The unsullied one.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,951
Ischade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimaera View Post
Clearly, this asshole was punched neither hard enough, nor frequently enough.
That's my problem the whole Nazi punching thing. We're punching them like one or two and isolation it makes the people doing the punching feel good and gets lots of Cheers but it doesn't actually do anything about the not seeing question. If violence is going to be utilized against these guys we need to actually do violence against these guys not screw around with love cats like this Bend like when the next time someone punches Spencer he should get into the hospital with a few broken bones and actually pay a price in his health for his hateful evil implicitly violent crap.
__________________
Quote:
I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
- E. B. White
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-13-2017, 02:26 AM
Ischade's Avatar
Ischade Ischade is offline
The unsullied one.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,951
Ischade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Also, I'm using voice diction for this stuff while high recovering from surgery so apologies for any weirdness in the text. :-)
__________________
Quote:
I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
- E. B. White
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-13-2017, 10:17 AM
Archaelos's Avatar
Archaelos Archaelos is offline
Ninja Hyena
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The Great Frozen North
Posts: 10,755
Archaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond repute
Default

If Nazis are punchable, what about Communists? Can we punch them too? How about Imperialists? Fair targets?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-13-2017, 11:18 AM
Mouser's Avatar
Mouser Mouser is offline
Manly and Impulsive!
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Barging into your shuttle...
Posts: 21,450
Mouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond reputeMouser has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaelos View Post
If Nazis are punchable, what about Communists? Can we punch them too? How about Imperialists? Fair targets?
"No, Ace. Just you."
__________________
"Great Marine commanders, like all great warriors, are able to kill that which they love most - their men."
-Cpt. Nathaniel Fick, USMC (ret.)

"Jerusalem is not a settlement."
-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

"Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, but set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
-Terry Pratchett
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-13-2017, 12:32 PM
Ischade's Avatar
Ischade Ischade is offline
The unsullied one.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,951
Ischade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond reputeIschade has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaelos View Post
If Nazis are punchable, what about Communists? Can we punch them too? How about Imperialists? Fair targets?
Communists and imperialists both have an in-game that can be non-violent whether or not it is prone to be. I do not believe that to be the case with Nazis. So far as I know there is no scenario we're Nazis opted for a nonviolent path once they have power it is always the same everywhere they ever took power.
__________________
Quote:
I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
- E. B. White
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-13-2017, 02:41 PM
David Argall David Argall is offline
Bona fide Fumbler
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: La Puente, CA
Posts: 6,987
David Argall is an evil overlordDavid Argall is an evil overlordDavid Argall is an evil overlord
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ischade View Post
Communists and imperialists both have an in-game that can be non-violent whether or not it is prone to be. I do not believe that to be the case with Nazis. So far as I know there is no scenario we're Nazis opted for a nonviolent path once they have power it is always the same everywhere they ever took power.
a-Being mortal, your mere belief is not sufficient. We need extensive proof.
b-The "can be" exception also needs proving. Communists and imperialists both have used violence extensively, making any claim of non-violence akin to saying "only when provoked, which I will be if you refuse to hand over your wallet."
On the other side, saying Nazi are always violent runs into definitional problems since the charge of Nazi is used so often. And when we try to use a stricter definition, we run into the bias of one massive case, or start finding Nazi who are also "can be non-violent".
c-The Nazi simply are not a serious enough problem to make an exception to our general rules and morals. Such an exception weakens our own defenses, and makes it more likely we will be attacked.
__________________
Yours for less government



David Argall
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-13-2017, 03:08 PM
Archaelos's Avatar
Archaelos Archaelos is offline
Ninja Hyena
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The Great Frozen North
Posts: 10,755
Archaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond reputeArchaelos has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ischade View Post
Communists and imperialists both have an in-game that can be non-violent whether or not it is prone to be. I do not believe that to be the case with Nazis. So far as I know there is no scenario we're Nazis opted for a nonviolent path once they have power it is always the same everywhere they ever took power.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Marx
There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.
Violent examples of the Marxist rise to power:
The USSR
The PRC
Kim Il-sung's DPRK
Ho Chi Minh's DRV
The Khmer Rouge
The GDR
SFR of Yugoslavia

Their atrocities easily match Nazi atrocities.

I mean, in theory, sort of kind of maybe, you could have a weak tea Marxism rise to power without violence in a utopian state, I guess? But you could also implement Strasserism without recourse to violence (in theory, sort of kind of maybe, but honestly not really.) In practice, Nazism is violent. In practice, Marxism is violent.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-13-2017, 03:38 PM
Chimaera's Avatar
Chimaera Chimaera is offline
Radiation Romeo
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Los Alamos
Posts: 16,736
Chimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond reputeChimaera has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I know plenty of people who are harmlessly Marxist... People who, perhaps, are ignorant, or don't hold with the violent extremes of historical Marxist regimes. I don't know how one can say the same of Nazism. We can argue about the implementation of socialist goals and ideals and policies, and we can have people involved in that conversation who start from a Communist or Marxist place, and end up somewhere worthwhile and useful. I know an absurd number of undergrad leftists who identify as Communists and/or Marxists, and repudiate the genocidal extremes there in, people who would be happy with making things fair, without the need to eat the rich. The same cannot be said about Nazis. Every Nazi is a virulent danger that leads to racial and ethnic violence. Full stop. Lots of people in history have killed lots of other people for lots of reasons. The Nazis win the evil award because their rationale is about as clearly and transparently evil as it gets. So, no. I'm willing to entertain conversations and arguments with Marxists and Communists. Nazis, however, get punched.
__________________
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -- Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright on all original post text belongs to the poster.