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Old 06-22-2017, 04:52 AM
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Only somewhat, but I would also be saying that the straight man has less interest in rescuing a male child, which is clearly valid. A man may attempt to rescue anybody under the right circumstances, but sex is going to be a motive quite often. And that may be direct or indirect.

I have saved lives. Men, women, and children. Never, not once, has their sexuality been even on the radar, much less relevant.

I know people that have saved lives. Police, Firemen, EMT's and others. Straight, gay, and bi. Not one, ever, has mentioned sexuality or lack thereof as part of the decision process to save lives. This entire line of reasoning dishonors those people. They sacrifice their time, their blood, and sometimes their sanity to save lives. It is, in every way, morally reprehensible.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:45 AM
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I have saved lives. Men, women, and children. Never, not once, has their sexuality been even on the radar, much less relevant.

I know people that have saved lives. Police, Firemen, EMT's and others. Straight, gay, and bi. Not one, ever, has mentioned sexuality or lack thereof as part of the decision process to save lives. This entire line of reasoning dishonors those people. They sacrifice their time, their blood, and sometimes their sanity to save lives. It is, in every way, morally reprehensible.
I really can't say it any better than this.

I have no idea what planet David is living on. First responders are human. Sometimes they don't run into the burning building. But those that do are almost never motivated by nookie.
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I have no idea what planet David is living on.
Maybe Hitcher could give us all directions?
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I have saved lives. Men, women, and children. Never, not once, has their sexuality been even on the radar, much less relevant.
So what is the motivation?
One obvious one is money. You may claim that idea is reprehensible too, but the simple fact of saving a minimum of 6 lives, and likely a multiple of that would mean you are/were almost certainly being paid to save lives. And we read often enough of lifesavers going on strike for higher wages. We may say they have other motives as well, but money is clearly one motive.
More generally, it is a clear point that our actions are dominated by self-interest. have you ever refused your paycheck? or even taken a job without asking the pay? All those jobs were also benefiting people, but if it didn't benefit you, you were gone despite that benefit.

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This entire line of reasoning dishonors those people. They sacrifice their time, their blood, and sometimes their sanity to save lives. It is, in every way, morally reprehensible.
And reprehensible does not mean inaccurate. Rather the reverse actually. The time spent morally denouncing something is time not spent saying it is wrong.

But going back to Gentile, what motive do we have for him that is not suspect? if not outright absurd?
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