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Old 07-05-2007, 03:28 PM
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That surprises me actually.
Why? You thought Salah was a prude?
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Why? You thought Salah was a prude?
No. Not a prude, but perhaps more morally careful than most of us.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:37 PM
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No. Not a prude, but perhaps more morally careful than most of us.
I don't think his comment betrayed a lack of moral care, or precision.
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I don't think his comment betrayed a lack of moral care, or precision.
It doesn't necessarily. But it did surprise me. I'd think he'd find nudity and such in films objectionable.
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It doesn't necessarily.
No, it just doesn't. There is no "necessarily." He's a moral individual giving you a considered moral answer.

Though my answer differs, it certainly arises out of my morals, as well. Merely because I said, "Hell yeah!" doesn't make me a less than moral individual.

I think you're making this hard on yourself by viewing the acceptance as necessarily immoral, and any capitulation as necessarily destructive.

Sometimes, you outgrow promises you make to yourself. That doesn't mean you just couldn't hack it.
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My answer is "yes" to both situations, in theory. Similar reasoning to what's already been said.

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For those of you who said you wouldn't do it if it involved sexual contact... is that more because you'd be embarrassed or more because it violates your morals or ethics?
This is an interesting point. In reality, I would in all likelihood refuse to do either scene (nudity/sex or just kissing) because I'd be too embarrassed - which extends to feeling uncomfortable (as Stephane pointed out) with acting in general or being on camera.

But I have no particular problem with filming a sex scene or the like.

I'd like to also agree in particular with the people who pointed out that the good it will do your family is a pretty important consideration, and must form part of your decision.
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If it involved nudity and sexual contact would you do it? Yes or no?
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If it involved only kissing and tasteful camera angles would you do it? Yes or no?
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For those of you who said you wouldn't do it if it involved sexual contact... is that more because you'd be embarrassed or more because it violates your morals or ethics?
Both.
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Interesting replies. I find it surprising that not a single person said "Don't compromise your morals and ethics".
Well, by even asking us, you are saying your morals and ethics are compromisable [an entirely sensible and correct attitude by the way]. No reason for use to give you bad advice you aren't going to follow.

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What I had decided was, if offered the part, to find out more of what the actual scene involves and it's import in the film before I signed the contract. Then, if it's a level I can live with have that put in the contract so that if they decide to escalate it later I have recourse to say no and still do the part.
Probably wise, but...
The vagueness of about what is involved can be a tipoff that they really intend to open up the toybox for this one. And if they don't intend it already, it's a safe bet that someone will say "It will really pull in the customers if the girls ...." and it will be a bit difficult to say you don't ... So having it set out in advance can prevent problems.
Of course, it can mean you won't get the job. You are showing a tendency to make difficulties and there apparently several other candidates for the job, some of whom will do as told without arguing. The scene can be "tame" and still cost you the job.
A less likely danger is that the director might make the scene worse as a result. You put your name on a contract that says you won't do X, and the director might say "The scene will now involve A-W, Y, Z." And he wasn't thinking beyond E in the first place. But the more you reject, the more danger they will want somebody else.

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whose assessment is it that the scene serves no purpose?
Just about everyone would assume it serves no plot purpose [and would assume it serves the purpose of selling tickets to male viewers, tho there are a number of women into properly done porn, which, from the male view, seems to be defined as wasting valuable screen time before getting naked.] Just about anything the sex scene would convey can be conveyed with fully clothed characters, and after even a brief picture of the couple in action, any further action gets in the way of the plot. Being male, I'm most likely to be asking "who cares about the bloody plot?", but the conflict does exist.
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whose assessment is it that the scene serves no purpose? yours or the writer's/producer's/director's? i can easily see a difference of opinion on the utility of such a scene. plus, the scene may very well wind up on the cutting room floor.
The fact that the film is about the Kennedy Assasination, not the relationship between 2 women. Even the producer admitted it was just there to draw in the men.
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