Ideas/input wanted

[IFMU]

Well, turns out Im actually going to be joining in on a new game pretty soon and need to design a PC for it.
Figured Id bug everyone here for some input on it.
Few things that Im interested in doing.
Changeling race. Interested in doing a Monk/Rogue classes. Its in the Ebberon (spelling?) setting.
I want the Monks hand to hand to be his primary fighting style eventually.
Im still working on actual PC history/personallity. So things arent too set in stone anywhere yet obviouslly.
Im liking the whole alter self/transform/alteration type aspect, want to go pretty strongly with that side of it. Are there any prestige classes that jump out for this sort of thing any?
Guess Ill add more once I get the jist of the new gaming style. (i.e. 3.5 ed D&D) lol

[ed]

is your GM ditching the multi-classing restriction for monks in your game? normally, monks cannot multi-class into another class, then level up again as a monk, IIRC.

ed

[IFMU]

If I recall correctly, in ebberon or whereever the locale is, there isnt one if Monk is the primary.. or something. lol

I know that I wont suffer the over level problems for level differences.

[ed]

ah. i'm not too familiar w/ the setting so i'll shut up for now. i know starhawk knows it, but don't recall who else does.

ed

[Wook]

Changelings are penultimate spy's. Set yourself up with max ranks in disguise, bluff, sense motive, and displomacy. Also have enough ranks in climb and open lock to get into buildings and enough spot to make sure you're not being watched. If you can play evil then being an assassin a very good use of your abilities. For a PRC I'd recommend the "Mindspy" out of Complete warrior as it lets you track what multiple people in the room are thinking at once. If you have the Sword & Sorcery "Advanced Player's Guide" then I'd recommend the "Sidestepper" PRC as well. Shapeshifting+innate teleports, blinks, and ethereal jaunts. :sawink2:

In terms of combat you'll never be more than 2nd line or 3rd line fighter but unarmed combat is a good choice since it lets you be "armed" in situations where you can't take an actual weapon. Doppleganger is a 6 lvl ECL hit IIRC and I assume that's the race you'll be using. (I don't know ebberon so if there's a changeling race there <shrug> you'll be on your own. :p )

[LagomorphPrime]

If you're looking at beefing up your combat abilities at any point the Warshaper PrC from Complete Warrior is worth looking into. As a Changeling you qualify for it by being of the Shapechanger subtype. After levels of the PrC you're immune to stuns and crits, get +4 to Str and Con, you get reach, and Fast Healing 2. I don't think there'd be much benefit for you to take the 5th level. Also it can be debated that the first level ability Morphic Weapons would allow you to step your base fist damage up a notch on top of using the monk dmg chart.

[Chimaera]

Ditto what Laggy said: the Warshaper is a wicked little five-level PrC to aim for, and extremely well-suited to your shape-shifting monk.

[LagomorphPrime]

My dream is to make a Druid 5/Warshaper 4/Nature's Warrior 1/Master of Many Forms 10. I'm a big fan of the Warshaper and Nature's Warrior, though both may be a little on the strong side as PrC's go.

[Chimaera]

When Detritus was in Toronto, he ran a little one-shot gestalt campaign in which I played a Druid with Warshaper levels... it was pretty fun :)

[BattleNymph]

just for fun monk type stuff, here's a website of Kung Fu videos that are cool.

http://www.floridakungfu.com/kung_fu_videos.htm

the chain whip one though isn't the best I've seen of that.

[Starhawk]

ah. i'm not too familiar w/ the setting so i'll shut up for now. i know starhawk knows it, but don't recall who else does.

ed


Eberron? I know diddly about Eberron. Arcana Evolved is my unorthodox cup of tea. :wave:

[Detritus]

When Detritus was in Toronto, he ran a little one-shot gestalt campaign in which I played a Druid with Warshaper levels... it was pretty fun :)
Warshaper is a great Gestalt PrC. It's pretty solid even non-Gestalt, but there is that pesky caster level loss, which is really the only drawback of the PrC.

[IFMU]

Thanks for the input. Few questions though... PrC? not sure I know what that means? lol Forgive the 'newbness' Its been quite a bit since Ive gamed.

Just for simplicity the PC as written so far.
str: 10
dex: 18
con: 10
int: 16
wis: 16
chr: 14
These are somewhat plyable. The GM hates rolling dice for stats, so we get basiclly 3's across the board, with 62 points to assign where we want. Then, once done he is going to give a minor adjustment he feels might be needed/warranted.
I'm starting as rogue class, with these skills.
bluff x 4, disguise x4, forgory x 2, sense motive x 4, gather info x 4, intimidate x 4, listen x 4, search x 3, escape artist x 2, balance x 1, climb x 2, diplomacy x 4, knowledge religion x 3, swim x 2, tumble x 1, use magic device x 1, appraise x 3, slieght of hand x 3, hide x 3
(bonus!) nature (feat?)
(bonus!) knowledge skill - nobility & royalty

Ive also ditched the 'trap finding' for 'social intuition' (special changling race prestige rogue class thing.)

So, thats pretty much where Im at.. still need to buy a feat. (Just 1 I think?)

[Whimsical]

Also note that the changling rogue substitution level grants 10x4 skill points instead of 8x4.

Okay, taking a closer look at your skills shows that you already know that.

Put four ranks in Knowledge(local), then one more at 2nd level. Five ranks in K:Local will give you a +2 synergy bonus to Gather Info. You can be "people who know people". Whenever a question comes up about a contemporary person, place, or event. Do a K:Local check first, then a Gather Info check if you blow your K:Local.

[Chimaera]

Expectoration in llama-form FTW...

:D

[IFMU]

Also note that the changling rogue substitution level grants 10x4 skill points instead of 8x4.

Okay, taking a closer look at your skills shows that you already know that.

Put four ranks in Knowledge(local), then one more at 2nd level. Five ranks in K:Local will give you a +2 synergy bonus to Gather Info. You can be "people who know people". Whenever a question comes up about a contemporary person, place, or event. Do a K:Local check first, then a Gather Info check if you blow your K:Local.
Yea, noticed that with the extra azzload of points there. lol
Like that idea on the K:local for gather info...
Expectoration in llama-form FTW...

:D
sorry, but huh? and ftw = f*** the world?
lol sorry, dont know some of the things folks use on here....

[Detritus]

PrC = Prestige Class

FTW = For The Win

n00b = newb

Anything else?

[Chimaera]

Expectoration = spit...

(I know, I know, you knew that... just being pedantic ;) )

My character was helping interrogate one of the bad-guys, who foolishly spit at me in a show of defiance... What's a shapeshifter to do when provoked thusly?

Suffice it to say, he talked... :sagrin:

[Detritus]

If Search and Spot are distinct skills in this game, I would recommend putting some ranks in Spot. I don't know what your plans are with the Forgery skill, but I'd drop those two ranks and the one in Use Magic Device at the very least for three ranks in Spot. If you can get a fourth rank for Spot, so much the better.

If Search and Spot are treated the same in your game, I think I'd still drop the rank in UMD to put a fourth rank in Search.

[IFMU]

PrC = Prestige Class
Got it.
FTW = For The Win
Got it.
n00b = newb
nah, I like newb. ^_^
Expectoration = spit...
(I know, I know, you knew that... just being pedantic ;) )
Actually no, I didnt. But thats one of the perks to having the 'dictionary extention' for FireFox! lol
If Search and Spot are distinct skills in this game, I would recommend putting some ranks in Spot. I don't know what your plans are with the Forgery skill, but I'd drop those two ranks and the one in Use Magic Device at the very least for three ranks in Spot. If you can get a fourth rank for Spot, so much the better.

If Search and Spot are treated the same in your game, I think I'd still drop the rank in UMD to put a fourth rank in Search.
Hmmm... not sure, Ill have to check on the Search and Spot details. Talk with the DM and see what his POV on it is.
Wanting the forgery to use for that exactly. I could prolly drop some of it, but I want to start at least with it at 1.
As for UMD, not sure... Ill have to check and read the skill a bit closer. See if its something I really want/need or not. Right now its not set in stone, obviouslly, so Ill do some checking into it.