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Detritus
12-04-2006, 06:23 AM
What the hell? (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2006/11/28/america,_not_keith_ellison,_decides_what_book_a_co ngressman_takes_his_oath_on)

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.

He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.

First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.

Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?

Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath?

The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.

This argument appeals to all those who believe that one of the greatest goals of America is to be loved by the world, and especially by Muslims because then fewer Muslims will hate us (and therefore fewer will bomb us).

But these naive people do not appreciate that America will not change the attitude of a single American-hating Muslim by allowing Ellison to substitute the Koran for the Bible. In fact, the opposite is more likely: Ellison's doing so will embolden Islamic extremists and make new ones, as Islamists, rightly or wrongly, see the first sign of the realization of their greatest goal -- the Islamicization of America.

When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble.

Magnus Bergqvist
12-04-2006, 06:47 AM
One would think that in today's society it would be much more preferred if they swore on the constitution instead of an imo outdated religious text. It would solve the problem of being neutral to all parties, and it is the constitution, not the bible that the senators are suppossed to uphold.

/Magnus

LagomorphPrime
12-04-2006, 06:52 AM
The article immediately loses in the 5th paragraph, as Godwin descends from on high to smite the author righteously.

Nagoff
12-04-2006, 07:14 AM
I have to admit that this kind of discussion leaves me a bit confused. I understood that the US was a non-religious state - i.e. it has no official established religion. In which case, I see no reason why its legislators should have to believe in, and be sworn in using the accoutrements of, any particular religion.
That said, if no-one else is allowed to change their swearing in text, I see no reason why this chap should be allowed.

LagomorphPrime
12-04-2006, 07:18 AM
I'd also like to point out that the guy elected is a Democrat. Leave it up to a dirty liberal Democrat to wanna be sworn in on a Koran instead of a Bible. Clearly the terrorists won a long time ago.

Lugard
12-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Personally... Why would they want him to swear on the bible? It means nothing to him, and i thought swearing in was done on the bible because it was considered an oath you would always follow, as it is based on your religous beliefs?

carmachu
12-04-2006, 09:32 AM
THats fine. In fact I WANT him to swear on his muslim holy book to uphold THE constitution and his office. Makes it more "real" if he does it on his own text.

Now if he didnt want to take the oath at all, on the koran or otehrwise, then he dhouldnt hold office. But no problems here.

Lost Soul
12-04-2006, 10:04 AM
Sheer idiocy. The article, that is. It's not the Bible that matters, it's the oath.

Yotsuya-san*
12-04-2006, 10:24 AM
What I want to know is: what text did our two new Buddhist congresspeople use to take the oath?

Shocked, shocked I am, that Prager isn't investigating that.

-D*

TinSoldier
12-04-2006, 11:11 AM
I have to go with the majority here and say that the author is an idiot.

Mouser
12-04-2006, 11:31 AM
Dennis Praeger is a bit over the top in this instance.

Could someone insist on a Christian Bible for his swearing in ceremony?

I don't think so.

He's missing the point, I think, in that the concept of swearing on ANYTHING and being expected to keep one's word is so archaic an idea in modern America as to be laughable.

Origen
12-04-2006, 11:41 AM
An Orthodox Jew should be able to swear on a Tanakh instead of a Christian Bible which contains large sections about a savior in which he or she does not believe. A Muslim should have the same right. This article is a steaming pile of crap, and the author should be publicly spanked with a Chrisitan Bible.

(Points to Lag for noticing the invocation of Godwin's Law.)

Parzival
12-04-2006, 11:55 AM
I'm suprised it took this long for this article to show up here. I first read about it a week or so ago. When NRO was having a great deal of fun tearing the arguement presented to shreds.

Mouser
12-04-2006, 12:15 PM
This article was clearly a brain-fart.

Windhaven
12-04-2006, 01:17 PM
I guess this guy never heard of Freedom of Religion.

Ja§on
12-04-2006, 02:26 PM
Inaccurate at best:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200612/POL20061201a.html

A blatant attack via alarmist fabrication? Could be:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/30/koran-bible-prager-ellison/

Error, lie, or evil diatribe, Hannity of course decided to lend it credence:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200612010010

In fairness, I think Hannity's stupidity stopped short of buying the "swearing on" lie.

Thus concludes my first post in the new joint.

EDIT: Fixed a link.

Wook
12-04-2006, 02:32 PM
I"m glad no one is defending this because I'd hate to have to go off about it. :p Loons abound and aparently this guy was trying to fit in with the crowd.

TinSoldier
12-04-2006, 02:38 PM
Inaccurate at best:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200612/POL20061201a.html

A blatant attack via alarmist fabrication? Could be:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200612/POL20061201a.html

Error, lie, or evil diatribe, Hannity of course decided to lend it credence:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200612010010

In fairness, I think Hannity's stupidity stopped short of buying the "swearing on" lie.

Thus concludes my first post in the new joint.Thanks for those links clarifying the situation and reaffirming the fact that the original author Prager is a dumbass.

Detritus
12-04-2006, 03:04 PM
I'm suprised it took this long for this article to show up here. I first read about it a week or so ago. When NRO was having a great deal of fun tearing the arguement presented to shreds.
I was saving it for the new place. You could've posted it, you know.

wolf_mage
12-04-2006, 11:03 PM
I"m glad no one is defending this because I'd hate to have to go off about it. :p Loons abound and aparently this guy was trying to fit in with the crowd.
:P:P

The statements like how what the individual wants is unimportant, or how "America is only interested in one book, the Bible"? AFAIK, the "unifying value system that underlies American civilization" is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not, say, Christianity.

I actually thought the article was satire until there was no punch line at the end.

JasonStarfire
12-05-2006, 12:37 AM
Sounds like the author is just trying to drum up anti-Muslim sentiment. The sad part is that it's probably working in a large segment of society.

Lugard
12-05-2006, 07:40 AM
Hopefully noone in power takes him seriously... This would be a quick way to drum up some ultra-conservative support...

carmachu
12-05-2006, 09:27 AM
Sounds like the author is just trying to drum up anti-Muslim sentiment. The sad part is that it's probably working in a large segment of society.


*blinks*

Oh no, the anti-setiment wouldnt have anything to do with, you know, actully killing people, a vast silent majority, and clecial Imans acting strangely ona plane and detained and then acting like their insulted.....

No no, its just some crazy person working to drum up anti-muslim sentiment....