Battle of the RPG Systems: Sudden Death Elimination!

[JasonStarfire]

Hey! Goober! We've moved on to the Finals! ('http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showthread.php?t=482')

After the first phase of the tournament, we are left with 22 contestants. See this thread for the previous standings, and contest history. (http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showthread.php?t=99) The rules have changed this time around.

Here are the rules for Sudden Death Elimination:
Each round, three RPGs will be selected at random to compete. Instead of voting for the RPG that you wish to win, you get one vote for which RPG you you wish to eliminate. First to three votes will be eliminated. The contest will continue with the remaining two RPGs, and the next one to three votes will be eliminated as well, with the victor moving on. If there are not enough votes in a particular round, the RPG with the least number of elimination votes will win, at my discretion.

One lucky system will receive a bye for this phase. The RPG that receives the bye will have to compete in the first round of the final 8, when normal bracketed voting resumes.



Current standings:

1. Call of Cthulhu
2. Cyberpunk 2020 (eliminated by Warhammer FRP)
3. Hackmaster
4. GURPS (eliminated by AD&D 1e)
5. Earthdawn (eliminated by Alternity)
6. D6 (eliminated by Warhammer FRP)
7. Paranoia
8. Ars Magica
9. Villains and Vigilantes (eliminated by Ars Magica)
10. Storyteller/Old WoD (eliminated by Call of Cthulhu)
11. Aberrant (eliminated by Ars Magica)
12. Munchkin (eliminated by Alternity)
13. Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
14. D&D (OD&D) (eliminated by Call of Cthulhu)
15. AD&D 1e
16. D&D 3.X (eliminated by Deadlands)
17. Exalted/Age of Sorrows (eliminated by Hackmaster)
18. Mutants and Masterminds (eliminated by AD&D 1e)
19. Alternity
20. Silhouette CORE (eliminated by Deadlands)
21. In Nomine (eliminated by Hackmaster)
22. Deadlands: Reloaded

Contest History:

Round 1:
Lose oD&D
Lose Storyteller/oWoD
Win Call of Cthulhu

Round 2:
Lose Villains and Vigilantes
Lose Aberrant
Win Ars Magica

Round 3:
Lose D6
Win Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
Lose Cyberpunk 2020

Round 4:
Lose Munchkin
Win Alternity
Lose Earthdawn

Round 5:
Lose D&D 3.X
Win Deadlands: Reloaded
Lose Silhouette CORE

Round 6:
Lose Mutants and Masterminds
Lose GURPS
Win AD&D 1e

Round 7:
Win Hackmaster
Lose Exalted/Age of Sorrows
Lose In Nomine

Bye round:
Paranoia

[JasonStarfire]

Call of Cthulhu has won this round!

Now we kick off the Sudden Death Elimination phase. It will be tough, so only the best (and one lucky RPG) will make it into the top 8!

Dungeons & Dragons (OD&D) (TSR) (eliminated)

The original Dungeons and Dragons was a box set published in 1974 with several supplements and magazine articles of official rules published over the next few years.
The original Dungeons & Dragons set
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The original Dungeons & Dragons set

In 1977, TSR released two new versions of the game: Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) and Dungeons & Dragons (sometimes called Basic D&D to distinguish it from AD&D, though TSR never used that term).

The version called Dungeons & Dragons (1977 - 1999) was, by virtue of being published as discrete sets with increasing complexity, was seen as "introductory" version of the AD&D. It actually was a similar complete game, and though often simpler than AD&D, this game in full included rule areas not in AD&D. In 1977 the Dungeons & Dragons Basic Set was published as a boxed set. This set was revised in 1981, to coincide with the release of an Expert Set, and again in 1983 when the series was expanded to five boxed sets adding the Companion Rules, Master Rules, and Immortal Rules. The Dungeons & Dragons game was revised again in 1991, with a hardback book Dungeons & Dragons Rules Cyclopedia consolidate all the core rules in a single volume, though several versions of introductory boxed games were available through the 1990s.

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Storyteller/Old WoD (White-Wolf) (eliminated)

What are we? The Damned childer of Caine? The grotesque lords of humanity? The pitiful wretches of eternal hell? We are vampires, and that is enough. I am vampire, and that is far more than enough. I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine -- now and forever.

No one holds command over me. No man. No god. No prince.

What is a claim of age for ones who are immortal? What is a claim of power for ones who defy death? Call your damnable hunt. We shall see whom I drag screaming to hell with me.

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Call of Cthulhu (Chaosium)

Horror Roleplaying in the Worlds of H. P. Lovecraft

The Great Old Ones ruled the earth aeons before the rise of humankind. Originally they came from the gulfs of space and were cast down by even greater beings. Remains of their cyclopean cities and forbidden knowledge can still be found on remote islands in the Pacific, buried amid the shifting sands of vast deserts, and in the frigid recesses of the polar extremes. Now they sleep -- some deep within the enveloping earth and others beneath the eternal sea, in the drowned city of R'lyeh, preserved in the waters by the spells of mighty Cthulhu. When the stars are right they will rise, and once again walk this Earth.

Call of Cthulhu is Chaosium?s classic roleplaying game of Lovecraftian horror in which ordinary people are confronted by the terrifying and alien forces of the Cthulhu Mythos. Call of Cthulhu uses Chaosium?s Basic Roleplaying System, easy to learn and quick to play. This bestseller has won dozens of game-industry awards and is a member of the Academy of Adventure Game Design Hall of Fame. In 2001 Call of Cthulhu celebrated its 20th anniversary. In 2003 Call of Cthulhu was voted the #1 Gothic/Horror RPG of all time by the Gaming Report.com community. Call of Cthulhu is well-supported by an ever-growing line of high quality game supplements.

[Wook]

Eliminate the Vampires! Down with WoD!

[JasonStarfire]

I'll cast a vote for oD&D. It was good, but I like "A" in my "D&D". :D

[TinSoldier]

Storyteller.

[Parzival]

eliminate storyteller.

[Cranky Dog]

OD&D.

There are more than enough other incarnations of the game.


Cranky Dog
"I have a sudden death dealing opinion, international!"

[Detritus]

Give OD&D the boot. I think this means CoC has survived and advanced.

[JasonStarfire]

Ars Magica has won this round!

Call of Cthulhu advances to the top 8, and WoD and oD&D are eliminated! Next round!


Villains and Vigilantes (Fantasy Games Unlimited) (eliminated)

Villains & Vigilantes is a role-playing game simulating the lives and adventures of comic-book style superheroes. It involves a referee, hereafter called the Gamemaster or GM, and one or more players (as many as the GM feels comfortable with).

It is the Gamemaster's job to create the world wherein the players have their adventures, to play the parts of the inhabitants of his world, and to generally keep the players entertained and the game running smoothly.

Players take the roles of superheroes. But unlike most role-playing games, in V & V the character used by the player is himself with the addition of super-powers. Each player receives a random set of powers. then creates a costume and a.name in order to fight crime andprotect society. As the players gain experience, their abilities will increase, along with the difficulty of the tasks they will be called upon to perform.


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Aberrant (White-Wolf) (eliminated)

Heroes? Legends? Gods

In the dawn of the 21st century, select humans erupt with incredible powers previously seen only in comics and movies. These rare 'novas' are all too real, however, and their abilities and personalities will change the world forever.


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Ars Magica

Welcome to Ars Magica, and to the world of Mythic Europe. It is a place where the glories of the Classical world are dust and the promise of the Renaissance is yet to come. The time is the 13th century ?1220 to be exact. Life is a struggle: wars and plagues stalk the land, the Church and kings rule with an iron fist. Yet Mythic Europe is also a place of magical wonder, inhabited by all the creatures of folktale and myth. What the folk of the land believe holds true: faeries and rural spirits must be placated; demons corrupt everything they touch; divine power is accessible through prayer; and magic is everywhere.

Against this background, you will play a magus, a member of the mythical Order of Hermes. You and your fellow players will also portray the loyal companions and grogs that stand with the magi in their covenants. These stalwart protectors provide a buffer between the magi and the mundane world that often misunderstands their power and motives. This is the setting for Ars Magica.

[Detritus]

I vote to eliminate V&V.

[Cranky Dog]

Ditto for V&V. Still too much room for abuse.

Choices aren't as easy this turn as the first one was. I really have to choose the one I wouldn't want to play and sometimes they all interest me.


Cranky Dog
"I have a supers RPG death opinion, international!"

[Chimaera]

I vote to eliminate V&V.

I vote to eliminate Detritus... :mad:

But seriously, sayonara Ars Magica...

[Wook]

I vote to eliminate Detritus... :mad:

But seriously, sayonara Ars Magica...

Down with the V&V.

[David Argall]

Aberrant goes. The other two are classics

[Parzival]

Eliminate Aberrant.

[BlueNinja]

Down with Ars Magica.

*stands guard over Aberrant*

[carmachu]

Abberant is going down.

[JasonStarfire]

Warhammer Fantasy has won this round!

Ars Magica advances to the top 8, and Aberrant and V&V are eliminated! Next round!


d6 System (West End Games) (eliminated)


One Die, Infinite Possibilities


D6 CoverAs part of a team of CIA operatives, you must infiltrate a remote terrorist base in the Middle East and recover stolen bio-warfare files ...

The Guardians of Time have asked you and your companions to leap into the past to prevent the death of King Thom before he institutes a peace treaty with a long-time enemy ...

Your elite spacetrooper unit has less than twenty hours to fly into the heart of the dangerous Tanni Nebula and disable a strategic sensor outpost before the first battle of the Grand War begins...

Customizable!The Tomb of Ulu has finally been found after five millennia, and only your group is daring enough to brave its unknown horrors to retrieve the Sacred Staff of Zasha ...

The D6 System allows you to play adventures in these or any other game setting - from high fantasy to space opera - using the same rules. For each world, you can create a specially modified set of mechanics that reflects the tone and feel of that genre. Choose a combat resolution method, create a character template, or even design your own psychic power system. D6 lets you do it all!

All you need are some six-sided dice and your imagination!


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Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (Games Workshop, others)

Explore the grim fantasy world of Warhammer first-hand with the awesome new edition of the classic Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay roleplaying game. The core rulebook contains all you need to play: sections on character generation, careers, combat, magic (both divine and sorcerous), and religion, as well as extensive background information on the dark world of Warhammer. Full details on how to run a game, brand-new character sheets and maps for use in play, and a complete introductory adventure are also included.

Written by multiple-award-winning game designer Chris Pramas, the WFRP rulebook is packed with terrific artwork by David Griffith, Wayne Reynolds, Geoff Taylor, Jon Hodgson, Adrian Smith, Carl Frank, and more. Other contributors include such Warhammer stalwarts as Rick Priestley, Graeme Davis, Gav Thorpe, and Dan Abnett, making WFRP second edition a unique blend of the old and the new!

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Cyberpunk 2020 (R. Talsorian) (eliminated)

THE CORPORATIONS control the world from their skyscraper fortresses, enforcing their rule with armies of cyborg assassins. On the Street, Boostergangs roam a shattered urban wilderness, killing and looting. The rest of the world is a perpetual party, as fashion-model beautiful techies rub biosculpt jobs with battle-armored roadwarriors in the hottest clubs, sleaziest bars and meanest streets this side of the Postholocaust. The Future never looked so bad.

BUT YOU can change it. You've got interface plugs in your wrists, weapons in your arms, lasers in your eyes, bio-chip programs screaming in your brain. You're wired-in, Cyberenhanced and solid state as you take it to the fatal Edge where only the toughest and coolest can go. Because you're CYBERPUNK.

CYBERPUNK: The original roleplaying game of the dark future; a world of corporate assassins, heavy-metal heroes and brain-burning cyberhackers, packed with cutting-edge technology and intense urban action. In this game you'll find everything you need to tackle the mean streets of the 2000's - in a game system that combines the best in realistic action and playability.

[TinSoldier]

D6 -- I can't eliminate the other two which are a couple of my favorites.

[Wook]

Eliminate CP2020 - Shadowrun is far superior. :p

[JasonStarfire]

Warhammer. It's tough, but I have a soft spot for Cyberpunk.

[carmachu]

Eliminate the d6 System. THe other 2 are better.

[Chris]

Ditch WHFRP. Some things just should not be. ;)

[Magnus Bergqvist]

Eliminate Cyberpunk. As someoen else noted there are better cyberpunk-games out there. Besides, Cyberpunk has such a broken system that it is a joke.

/Magnus

[Parzival]

Bastard.

Reluctantly, I say eliminate CP2020

[Cranky Dog]

Down with D6.

A generic system with no set universe won't cut it.


Cranky Dog
"I have a d6 death blow opinion, international!"

[Detritus]

Ditch CP2020.

[BlueNinja]

Ditch Warhammer!

[David Argall]

D6 should go, tho not by a huge margin. We are getting rid of the obvious ones now

[Valdier]

definitely lose d6, worst system ever (other than anything palladium)

[Grendel]

D6 is much better than Cyberpunk. Especially when you consider the Star Wars material for that system.

[BlueNinja]

Bueller? Bueller?

[JasonStarfire]

Sorry about the delay. Internet went out for 4 days. :(

Update in a bit...

[JasonStarfire]

Alternity has won this round!

Warhammer Fantasy advances to the top 8, and d6 and Cyberpunk are eliminated! Next round!

Munchkin (Steve Jackson Games) (eliminated)

D20 -- THE WAY IT SHOULD BE PLAYED!

Bonnie and Clyde. Matches and gasoline. Famine and plague. And, of course, Munchkin and d20! Munchkin brought you the essence of roleplaying: kill them all and take their stuff! Now take the classes and races, nifty items, and fiendish monsters right off the cards and into your own campaign . . . and it will never be the same!

The Munchkin Player's Handbook, Munchkin Master's Guide, and Munchkin Monster Manual provide everything you need for a rollicking good game of dungeon-clearing, monster-slaying, treasure-gathering . . . and the inevitable up-leveling! Everything, that is, except for a warped imagination and buckets of dice -- but you already have those, right?

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Alternity (TSR)

What is Alternity? Written by : Starbrat (alternityrpg.net)

Alternity is a setting-generic Science Fiction game originally published by Wizards of the Coast. The game is designed for GMs to produce any kind of Modern or SF setting, from techno-thriller to cyberpunk to classic space-opera to superhero. It's even possible to run modern Horror games with this system, such is its versatility.

What you will need ..

The Alternity game, unlike many games currently available, uses a wide range of dice, rather than being fixated on a single die type. To play Alternity, you will need the Alternity Player's Handbook & Gamemaster Guide. There are other accessories available, but these core rulebooks are all you really need. You will also need the following types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d12 & d20 (the most commonly used). You can find these types of dice at any hobby games shop. Other than this, you'll also need pencils, scratch paper & a writing pad (lined would be best). You may also need squared and/or hex-printed paper (you can get squared paper at a decent stationer, and hex paper can be bought from hobby stores). Alternatively, you could download the Graph Paper Printer program from the following address: http://perso.easynet.fr/~philimar/ I have found this program invaluable.

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Earthdawn (1993 FASA) (eliminated)

Before science, before history, an era of magic existed in our world’s dim past. Magic flowed freely, touching every aspect of the lives of men and women of the Name-giver races. It was an age of heroes, an age of fantastical deeds and mythical stories. In this Age of Legend, bold heroes from all across Barsaive band together—ready to fight for life and freedom against the remaining Horrors and the oppressive Theran Empire, which seeks to bend the rebellious province again to their yoke. Through noble deeds and sacrifice, the heroes of the world forge Barsaive’s future, arming themselves for their daunting task with powerful magical spells and treasures.

[Detritus]

Eliminate Earthdawn.

[Parzival]

Eliminate Earthdawn.

[TinSoldier]

Go for Munchkin.

[BlueNinja]

Compared to Alternity (which I find intriguing) and Earthdawn (which has t'skrangs) I must vote to eliminate Munchkin.

And if Munchkin goes down, I gain a level! Yay! :D

[Kalzazz]

Eliminate Alternity

[JasonStarfire]

I'll give the killing vote to Earthdawn. Take that, FASA! *goes and plays Shadowrun*

[carmachu]

Munchkin's gotta go.

[JasonStarfire]

Deadlands has won this round!

Alternity advances to the top 8, and Earthdawn and Munchkin are eliminated! Next round!

D&D 3.X (WoTC) (eliminated)

Endless adventure and untold excitement await! Prepare to venture forth with your bold compaions into a world of heroic fantasy. Within these pages, you'll discover all the tools and options you need to create characters worthy of song and legend for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game.

The revised Player's Handbook is the definitive rulebook for the Dungeons & Dragons game. It contains complete rules for the newest edition and is an essential purchase for anyone who wants to play the game.

The revised Player's Handbook received revisions to character classes to make them more balanced, including updates to the bard, druid, monk, paladin, and ranger. Spell lists for characters have been revised and some spell levels adjusted. Skills have been consolidated somewhat and clarified. A larger number of feats have been added to give even more options for character customization in this area. In addition, the new and revised content instructs players on how to take full advantage of the tie-in D&D miniatures line planned to release in the fall of 2003 from Wizards of the Coast, Inc.


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Deadlands: Reloaded (Great White Games, current)

Deadlands: Reloaded is the latest incarnation of the award-winning Deadlands setting.

Powered by the Savage Worlds system, Deadlands: Reloaded takes the Weird West and gives it a Savage twist.

All the usual Western horror, all the hex-slinging, gun-toting, monster-hunting, ghost rock inspired mayhem you're used to, merged with Savage Worlds' Fast! Furious! Fun! ethos.

In Deadlands' 10th Anniversary year, strap on your six-guns and hit the high plains, pardner. The Reckoners are back - and Hell's comin' with them!

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Silhouette CORE (Dream Pod 9) (eliminated)

This 256-page hardcover manual contains the latest edition of the critically acclaimed Silhouette game rules. Use them to propel your adventures in the CORE Command universe -- or any setting in a wide variety of genres ranging from science-fiction, fantasy, anime, horror, modern age and more. It's an action-packed game in which you control bigger-than-life characters!

The Silhouette CORE rules drive all Dream Pod 9 roleplaying games:

* CORE Command
* Gear Krieg
* Heavy Gear
* Jovian Chronicles
* Tribe 8
and many more!

The book also contains Silhouette/d20 conversion rules, allowing you to benefit from the extensive d20-based library, and numerous additional examples and game tools.

[Kalzazz]

Get rid of DnD 3.X

[Detritus]

Eliminate Deadlands.

[Parzival]

Tough one.

I'm going to go with D&D, just because it's so frelling hard to world-build with. (And because of it being so heavily focused on combat.)
That said, it gets more people into the hobby than all other avenues combined.

[Wook]

Kills the silhouette

[carmachu]

Kill D&D 3.X

[Cranky Dog]

Deadlands is dead!

How do you find a group to play this game anyway?


Cranky Dog
"I have a dead Deadlands opinion, international!"

[carmachu]

How do you find a group to play this game anyway?




Carefully. You either find die hards or get people hooked on the game. Its a great game....

[Cranky Dog]

Carefully. You either find die hards or get people hooked on the game. Its a great game....
I barely have time to play the games that *are* popular, so finding a group for such an exclusive game, no matter how good the setting is, is next to impossible.

Availability to play made me vote against it even though I would probalby love to play it.


Cranky Dog
"I have a Deadland rising opinion, international!"

[Magnus Bergqvist]

I say get rid of Sillouhette.

D&D has lots of drawbacks though, but it is probably the most important game there is for the industry.

/Magnus

[BlueNinja]

Sillouhette, as the only one I've never heard of.

[Cranky Dog]

Sillouhette, as the only one I've never heard of.
You never heard of any of the games that run with it?

I have to admit that I'm biased toward this one. My name appears in the credits of design & playtesters.:th_coolio:


Cranky Dog
"I have a insider knowledge opinion, international!"

[JasonStarfire]

AD&D 1st Edition has won this round!

Deadlands: Reloaded advances to the top 8, and D&D 3.X and Silhouette CORE are eliminated! Next round!

Mutants and Masterminds (Green Ronin) (eliminated)

The World's Greatest Superhero Roleplaying Game Returns!

It has been called "the best, most exciting superhero RPG in years." It sets "new standards in design and presentation." It has won awards that include the Pen & Paper Fan Award for Best RPG, the ENWorld Award for Best d20 RPG, and the prestigious EN World Peer Award for 2003. Now the World's Greatest Superhero Roleplaying Game is even better!

Mutants & Masterminds, Second Edition, is all the best of the award-winning RPG, with new updates, refinements, and expansions to make it the most complete, detailed, and fun version of superhero gaming yet! In this 256-page hardcover with stunning new cover art by Ramón Pérez, you'll find a complete game. Based on the popular Open Game License, Mutants & Masterminds has everything you need to create your own superheroes and villains. It offers more than a dozen ready-made superhero archetypes and even more ready-to-use supervillain archetypes, so you can start playing right away! Included are two introductory adventures, one providing an introduction to the award-winning Freedom City campaign setting.

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GURPS (Steve Jackson Games) (eliminated)

Welcome to the Generic Universal RolePlaying System!

With GURPS, you can be anyone you want -- an elf hero fighting for the forces of good, a shadowy femme fatale on a deep-cover mission, a futuristic swashbuckler carving up foes with a force sword in his hand and a beautiful woman by his side . . . or literally anything else! GURPS has been the premiere universal roleplaying game for almost two decades. The new Fourth Edition makes it even better!

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AD&D 1e (TSR)

In 1978, the 1st edition Player's Handbook was released, and with it the divergence between race and class. After rolling ability scores from one of four principal methods put forth in the DMG, characters chose from among five core classes (cleric, fighter, magic-user, thief, and monk) and five sub-classes (druid, paladin, ranger, illusionist, and assassin). They also chose from among seven races (dwarf, elf, half-elf, gnome, halfling, half-orc, and of course human). Class, race, and ability scores then interacted in a complex, love-hate triangle in which each aspect restricted or promoted the others.

[Chris]

Bye, bye GURPS.

((MnM roolz!!1!))

Woot!

[Wook]

GURPS takes one to the eye.

[Detritus]

Eliminate Mutants and Masterminds.

[Parzival]

Eliminate Mutants and Masterminds.

[BlueNinja]

AD&D 1st ed goes down!

[Cranky Dog]

Nerf GURPS (try saying it, it's fun).

AD&D 1st ed is the one that gave my real first gaming experience, so despite its flaws, I'll keep it. For now at least.


Cranky Dog
"I have a GURPS nerfer opinion, international!"

[TinSoldier]

Goodbye, Mutants & Masterminds. As much love as I have heard for the system here, it is the only one of the three that I am unfamiliar with.

[carmachu]

GURPS sucks ass

[Kalzazz]

Get rid of Mutants and Masterminds

[JasonStarfire]

Hackmaster has won this round!

AD&D 1e advances to the top 8, and Mutants and Masterminds and GURPS are eliminated! Next round!

Hackmaster (Kenzer & Co.)

Congratulations! In a world where there is no shortage of mediocre games, you've managed to find one of the true gems. Furthermore, if you've ever played a fantasy role-playing game based on a d20 combat roll and armor class, you already know how to play this game! And while this is the 4th edition of the HackMaster game, in another time, another edition or an alternate universe, this could easily have been called "3e." It's the 1st/2nd edition of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) with new crunchy bits and a whole lot of fresh attitude.

The HackMaster roleplaying game is the game of choice for those that know the difference between ordinary and epic. This is the game for YOU. You're not ordinary; you're extraordinary. For those of us that live in a world that forces us to conform, to abide by the rules day in and day out; for those of us that suffocate in our daily routine of breakfast cereal and ham sandwiches; for those of us that slave each day in our cubicle working for the Man; those who would be heroes if it were not for the constraints of reality, we present... HackMaster.

What is HackMaster?

Quite simply, HackMaster is a fantasy role-playing game with an edge, licensed from the hallowed Advanced Dungeons & Dragons core rules. And even though we took a wrecking crane and a crowbar to those rules, we certainly didn't take this opportunity to alter the rules lightly. Players of the original AD&D game will find HackMaster comfortably familiar, yet also new and exciting! And if you've never played AD&D or HackMaster before, what are you waiting for? Come join the party!

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Exalted/Age of Sorrows (White-Wolf) (eliminated)

Exalted is a game of epic fantasy set during the Second Age of Man, a time before our own.
It is an age of magic and adventure, when heroes of legend are reborn into a time of woe.

At the dawn of the First Age, the gods gave power to men that they might slay the gods' Primordial enemies. Anointed by the gods, these beings were thereafter known as the Exalted.

Your character is among those individuals who have become Solar Exalted. You are a being of legend, as mighty as a demigod and as cunning as an asp. Will you be the savior of Creation or one of the terrible menaces that beset your world?

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In Nomine (Steve Jackson Games) (eliminated)

In Nomine is a modern roleplaying game in which the players take the part of celestial beings - angels and demons - as they struggle for control of humanity and themselves. The celestials, powerful though they may be, are merely pawns in a much larger game being played by their Superiors, the Archangels and Demon Princes. Based on the best-selling French RPG by the wonderfully diabolical Croc!

[JasonStarfire]

I vote for Exalted. I like it, but not as much as In Nomine, and Hackmaster just plain rules.

(Also, for those of you keeping score, Paranoia got the lucky bye round and has gained clearance to the top 8.)

[David Argall]

I vote we eliminate all 3 and give the space to GRUPS, or even MM. Now maybe Hackmaster deserves some respect compared to the others, but its very nature requires that it be deemed 2nd rate here.

Whoever wins here should be an autoloss next round.

[carmachu]

Exalted has to go.

[Cranky Dog]

Exalted goes.

Almost said Hackmaster since we already kept AD&D 1st ed, but I'll keep it in mind for the next round.


Cranky Dog
"I have an exalted opinion, international!"

[Kalzazz]

In Nomine

Filler

[Parzival]

Crap. The only one I wanted to eliminate, already has been.

In Nomine, just because Hackmaster is more fun.

[LagomorphPrime]

In Nomine 'cuz it's French.

[Chris]

I can't take seriously any system where MnM gets the boot over AD&D 1e, and any of these three new options will advance over it.

Wacky. To say the least.

I thought this was an attempt to determine the best system. Really? 1e? Heh. Best? Or just having the most sentimental value? I mean, I have nothing but love for my youthful days playing AD&D, but it can't seriously be considered better than some of the other games out there (like MnM), can it?

[Kalzazz]

All three systems I considered to be potentially the best got eliminated already, and Id rather play ADnD 1e over MnM

[JasonStarfire]

I can't take seriously any system where MnM gets the boot over AD&D 1e, and any of these three new options will advance over it.

Wacky. To say the least.

I thought this was an attempt to determine the best system. Really? 1e? Heh. Best? Or just having the most sentimental value? I mean, I have nothing but love for my youthful days playing AD&D, but it can't seriously be considered better than some of the other games out there (like MnM), can it?

I think overall impact has a lot to do with it. I would have wanted M&M to advance, based on which one I'd rather play right now if asked.

Then again it is the really crunchy edition of the most popular RPG ever that revolutionized the way the world thinks of gaming, brought down the fury of the bible belt, and set the bar for everything that has come after it... versus a variant rules system based off of the questionably superior/inferior (depending on your view) new edition rules derived from the very game franchise with which M&M is competing, put out by a relatively small press company.

I'm not saying I agree, but I understand. :crap:

Anywhoo, that's it for Sudden Death Elimination! Stay tuned for the final eight, where normal voting will resume! (ie pick your favorite!)

[carmachu]

I can't take seriously any system where MnM gets the boot over AD&D 1e, and any of these three new options will advance over it.


Sissy boy whiners should just take their panties and go home.




I thought this was an attempt to determine the best system. Really? 1e? Heh. Best? Or just having the most sentimental value? I mean, I have nothing but love for my youthful days playing AD&D, but it can't seriously be considered better than some of the other games out there (like MnM), can it?

There were several games in the last round before sudden death. But other folks disagreed. THems the rules. Live with them or go home....:sagrin: