2009 Thunderdome FF Draft commentary

[Detritus]

The draft is still a couple of days from starting, but I'll go ahead and post the commentary thread now, possibly priming the pump for discussion. It hardly feels like a whole year has passed.

[Wook]

This years off season felt particularly brief. I'm ok with this.

Also. The draft starts at midnight TONIGHT.

I'll remind Voodazle that he'll be on the clock come then.

[carmachu]

This years off season felt particularly brief. I'm ok with this.

Also. The draft starts at midnight TONIGHT.

I'll remind Voodazle that he'll be on the clock come then.

Should I send you my first round pick, or 1st and 2nd. Yes I'll be in bed at midnight.

[carmachu]

Oh goodie!

The time to reveal my ignorance is nearly at hand... If it starts at midnight tonight, I won't likely be posting until tomorrow morning at the earliest. Just FYI -- is that okay, or am I committing an FFL fox-paws?

Gnerally what happens is whoever is in charge of the draft, you send them 3 picks in order, and they take the first one as your pick if you wont be around.

So say I want quarterback as my first pick, I'll send ****, or Det the follwoing:

1)Peyton
2)drew breeze
3)Tom Brady


So when my pick comes around, The commissioner can just make your pick(if say **** is before you and picked Peyton, your pick would then be Breeze). If all your picks are taken then the draft is on hold till you get online. I know I'm not going to be online at midnight or in the wee hours. I'll send him pick #1 and depends on what he says, pick #2, as to keeep the draft going. Its not a huge deal if the draft gets held up for a bit, but we just dont want to get bogged down,

[Wook]

Oh goodie!

The time to reveal my ignorance is nearly at hand... If it starts at midnight tonight, I won't likely be posting until tomorrow morning at the earliest. Just FYI -- is that okay, or am I committing an FFL fox-paws?

No it's ok. things won't start in earnest until tomorrow during the day. I just know that voodazle works for a school district and is likely in startup mode himself right now. So I just want to make sure he's reminded.

[Brother Brian]

We do it this way so that nobody feels strained or put out to be there at a certain time. So long as you plan on checking the board multiple times per day, your fine.

[Wook]

And given the rate our draft tends to move out if we complete 2 rounds of draft in one day that'll be a lot. Figure if you chime in once in the morning and once in the evening you'll be doing fine.

[Detritus]

This years off season felt particularly brief. I'm ok with this.

Also. The draft starts at midnight TONIGHT.

I'll remind Voodazle that he'll be on the clock come then.
If he knows who he wants to pick, we can get this party started tonight, though I guess we wouldn't get too far until tomorrow AM anyways.

[carmachu]

Who should I give my picks to, **** or Det? I'll be in bed when it starts, but at least you can get going if Voodazle starts.

[Detritus]

Who should I give my picks to, **** or Det? I'll be in bed when it starts, but at least you can get going if Voodazle starts.
I'll be up tonight for sure. Can't speak for the morning if voodazel can't post something until tomorrow morning. I don't think it would hurt to give 'em to us both. I doubt you'll be declassifying much in the way of draft strategy with your two choices at the top of the draft.

[carmachu]

Right, I've got second choice overall, its not rocket science.... Its pick 2 and 3 I'm hesitant about till I see whats what.

[Detritus]

OK, we're on our way! I've started the running tally of players selected by round and by team in the draft thread.

[Brother Brian]

What a difference a year makes. Last year I picked up Michael Turner in the late 2nd round, this year, top 3.

BTW, do we have 2 flex positions this year, with a WR / TE option as well?

[Wook]

Yes we have 2 flex positions.

WR/RB
WR/TE

I'll leave it to you to determine which roster combo's score the most points on average. :sawink2:

Now paging Kalzazz!

[Brother Brian]

Chim, I've got to say, any points you lose for a lack of expertise is gained by quick response. Well done.

[carmachu]

Psht... a quick response is easy when you have no clue what you're doing and you're going off of peoples' advice, hints and helpful online cheat-sheets. My selection here was a bit of a risk, but I felt he was worth the gamble -- from what I can tell, the injury coefficient that lowers his value is highly variable. If he has a largely injury-free year, I stand to rack up reliable points with Jackson. I've picked him somewhat in advance of my estimate of his average FFL draft ranking, but hey, you learn by doing, right?



Yes. The cheet sheets are amazing if you read the indepth stuff. It took me a bad season to realize that....

Yes yes you do learn by doing.....

[Wook]

Yes. we'll be waiting till much later today for pauly to make his pick methinks.

[voodazel]

Hey Chimaera,

I noticed you thanked someone for advise with your pick. Mind you that your pick was not a bad one, but I think there are better RB's avalible. Careful of whoyou take advise from....especially ****...that dude is cutthroat! :laughing:

[Wook]

Hey Chimaera,

I noticed you thanked someone for advise with your pick. Mind you that your pick was not a bad one, but I think there are better RB's avalible. Careful of whoyou take advise from....especially ****...that dude is cutthroat! :laughing:

Punk. I'm giving dude nothing but solid advice here. And SJax isn't a bad choice. Some of his other options have equally significant downsides.

[Wook]

Kal, are you "Team 7" on purpose? Or have you not managed to change it on our web-interface yet?

He just hasn't changed but really I only think he needs to add "...from outer space!" onto the end of it and it'd be perfect. :sawink2:

[Brother Brian]

Punk. I'm giving dude nothing but solid advice here. And SJax isn't a bad choice. Some of his other options have equally significant downsides.

Both ESPN and FFToolbox.com have Jackson as a top 5 pick overall. I don't think it was a bad selection at all.

[Detritus]

I'm wary of Jackson living up to top-5 billing, but I can see where one might value him that way.

[Wook]

Both ESPN and FFToolbox.com have Jackson as a top 5 pick overall. I don't think it was a bad selection at all.

Exactly and honestly while you have high hopes for the #5 overall pick as long as he finishes in the top 8 the pick will be well justified.

[Detritus]

I've got reservations about Jackson finishing as a top-10 back, to be honest, but he will get a ton of work when he's healthy.

[voodazel]

Hey just voicing my thoughts. I'd be happy to give who I think someone should pick if they want, however I hate to give it because if the guy tanks, then I may get some backlash and negativity.

=P

[Wook]

Heh. Well I gave dude basically a novella of ****'s manifesto on FFB drafting and team management. If it fails I'm going to get an epic amount of shit for some years afterwards. :sawink2:

[Detritus]

I think Forte will be a steal at #6. I'm betting on Moss rebounding to somewhere around 15 TDs with Brady back and healthy again this season.

[Detritus]

I'm going to be AFK for about 20 minutes.

[Wook]

You're on the clock when you get back. And I agree on Forte at #6. It's the only other player I might've steered Chim to. I'm tickled pink to have Tomlinson at #8. I think LT is going to have that sort of top 8 quality year.

[Wook]

Round 1 seemed pretty predictable. I think the only eyebrow raiser was Kal's pick of Deangelo Williams and honestly I think that's just Kal endorsing the idea that it wasn't a flash in the pan. Matt Forte falling to #6 was a nice steal for Pauly as well. I think Det did just fine with Randy Moss and I wonder how much of my typical drafting pattern Det remember from previous years in his Moss > Johnson transition from round 1 to Round 2. :sawink2:

[Detritus]

Round 1 seemed pretty predictable. I think the only eyebrow raiser was Kal's pick of Deangelo Williams and honestly I think that's just Kal endorsing the idea that it wasn't a flash in the pan. Matt Forte falling to #6 was a nice steal for Pauly as well. I think Det did just fine with Randy Moss and I wonder how much of my typical drafting pattern Det remember from previous years in his Moss > Johnson transition from round 1 to Round 2. :sawink2:
Moss stood out somewhat from the other members of the so-called Big 4 at WR this year, enough that I felt he warranted the #7 overall selection.

If anything, the only thing I was really thinking about with your picks was maybe you would pick LT so I didn't have to worry about him. He has both large upside and downside this year, IMO, and I'd just as soon he was on someone else's team. Don't know what I would have done if he was still there at 2.02.

[Detritus]

To be clear, nobody told me to pick Jackson and yes, there are a number of viable (maybe even better) alternatives. However, rather than just go with what people specifically suggest, I'm trying to learn the game a little. So, I looked over the picks I was suggested, checked the resources I was pointed to and was drawn to the volatility of Jackson's ranking. Like I said, the question mark with him appears to be his injury status. IMX, stats geeks tend to be convervative, so I'm thinking that his overall value is somewhat underestimated because of this factor. Mind you, I did five minutes of quick reading there, so I could be entirely up my own ass. But I think I'm receiving good faith, honest advice. Any fuckups or poor choices are all on me.
Dude, we all know that your draft is just an adjunct of Org's botnet. :grin:

[Detritus]

Ah, gone are the days when you could snag Fitz with a pick in the 20-somethings. I think I've had him in each of the past three years in this league. Memories. *sniffle*

[Detritus]

I'll be the one running the show in terms of proxy picks tonight, should it come to that. **** will be out of pocket until late PDT. There's a small chance I could be, too, but it's doubtful, thus I'm the better bet for entering other people's picks tonight.

[voodazel]

Wow, we were rolling then it all stopped dead.

Guess no one else got put out of their league poker night game early and is waitig on their GF who is kicking some serious A$$.

[voodazel]

It's cool, I shouldn't be so inpatient....I'll likely be in the middle of my 9:30 game when my pick rolls around.

[voodazel]

To be clear, nobody told me to pick Jackson and yes, there are a number of viable (maybe even better) alternatives. However, rather than just go with what people specifically suggest, I'm trying to learn the game a little. So, I looked over the picks I was suggested, checked the resources I was pointed to and was drawn to the volatility of Jackson's ranking. Like I said, the question mark with him appears to be his injury status. IMX, stats geeks tend to be convervative, so I'm thinking that his overall value is somewhat underestimated because of this factor. Mind you, I did five minutes of quick reading there, so I could be entirely up my own ass. But I think I'm receiving good faith, honest advice. Any fuckups or poor choices are all on me.

Hey, don't listen to me. I'm not that good of a FF player to be honest. I'm sure I got some ass whooping coming my way this year.

[Detritus]

Ah, Peyton. I don't think he's ever made it out of the 2nd round of one of our drafts.

[carmachu]

Hey... even *I've* heard of Peyton Manning... :D

Nice pick, although while I had him last year, he had a couple abolsute dog weeks.....unlike the year before.

[Detritus]

OK, BB is on the clock as of 0145 PDT. With any luck the three EDT drafters coming up can get through their picks fairly early tomorrow, and then we'll just have to see what happens after that.

[Detritus]

Yeah, so I'm just now going to bed, FYI. Back in 5-6 hours, I'm guessing.

[carmachu]

I levae for work 10am EST, and am gone for 12 hours without internet access. **** and Det have roudns 2 adn 3 picks whenever BB gets in, although I could probably make his pick in one guess.....

[Detritus]

I levae for work 10am EST, and am gone for 12 hours without internet access. **** and Det have roudns 2 adn 3 picks whenever BB gets in, although I could probably make his pick in one guess.....
Heh, I have made a similar prediction by PM. :grin:

EDIT -- NOW I'm going to bed. G'night.

[carmachu]

Yup, BB is pretty predictable in some regards.....hoepfully it wont bite him in the ass like last year...:D

[Brother Brian]

I REALLY didn't want to take Brady this year, seeing that it worked out so badly for him last year.

If Brady gets hurt again, I'm drafting Eli Manning in the first round for the rest of his career.

[carmachu]

I REALLY didn't want to take Brady this year, seeing that it worked out so badly for him last year.

If Brady gets hurt again, I'm drafting Eli Manning in the first round for the rest of his career.

It cant get much worse this year then last. I mean he got hurt in the first quarter of the first game....

[Wook]

So don't take brady? There's so much good stuff left on the board that if he really seemed that bad you could've passed and taken Andre Johnson or calvin Johnson. There are still 3 awesome QB's on the board you could've waited a round or two to snag.

Also, we're still in pre-season. Between practice and exhibition games there's plenty of opportunity for any of us to have our ear canals probed by aliens.

[Wook]

I'll get the draft trackers updated in a bit. Just got to work.

[Brother Brian]

So don't take brady? There's so much good stuff left on the board that if he really seemed that bad you could've passed and taken Andre Johnson or calvin Johnson. There are still 3 awesome QB's on the board you could've waited a round or two to snag.

Also, we're still in pre-season. Between practice and exhibition games there's plenty of opportunity for any of us to have our ear canals probed by aliens.

I saw a significant dropoff in QB between Brady and Warner/Rogers who were next on my depth chart. I didn't think I'd get Brees, but thought Peyton might have been available. Had both Brady and Peyton been around, I would have gone for Andre or Calvin, thinking I'd pick one of the QB up next round. When Chim took Manning, it forced my hand.

All this aside, I don't actually think my picking Brady has any impact on his play or injury chances this year, and from what I've read, there's no reason to expect the injury to re-occur unless he takes another hit similiar to the one that caused it. And that will injure any QB.

I'm in a good position I think to pick up a strong 2nd RB or top flight WR in the 3rd round, so I'm not complaining all that much.

[voodazel]

I saw a significant dropoff in QB between Brady and Warner/Rogers who were next on my depth chart. I didn't think I'd get Brees, but thought Peyton might have been available. Had both Brady and Peyton been around, I would have gone for Andre or Calvin, thinking I'd pick one of the QB up next round. When Chim took Manning, it forced my hand.

All this aside, I don't actually think my picking Brady has any impact on his play or injury chances this year, and from what I've read, there's no reason to expect the injury to re-occur unless he takes another hit similiar to the one that caused it. And that will injure any QB.

I'm in a good position I think to pick up a strong 2nd RB or top flight WR in the 3rd round, so I'm not complaining all that much.

I totally disagree with this, as I made my picks just a second ago. I would have snapped up one of those 2 QB's if they were there. With those first 3 QB's gone, I move to ****'s strat.

[Wook]

Rodgers was not one of those QB's I thought would be available later. Warner, McNabb, and Rivers were my nods.

[voodazel]

Rodgers was not one of those QB's I thought would be available later. Warner, McNabb, and Rivers were my nods.

Rogers is at the apex between the top tier and the next one. He could go either way. Chances are he'll fall back in my opinion. This why I pushed past the QB's for the time being. There are plenty of QB of the next caliber for a number of rounds.

[Wook]

1. I am an Idiot.

2. WOOT!

:sacool:

[Brother Brian]

I knew that at least one of the QB would have been taken, I thought there was a reasonable chance that one would have still been available. It would have been a risk/reward situation for sure, but could have played out.

[Paulypalooza]

How the hell did Westbrook fall to me in the third round?

[Wook]

I was hoping he'd fall a couple more picks honestly.

[Paulypalooza]

Not that I'm regreting picking Westbook but he is an all or nothing fantasy player. Last year he'd get me 30 points one week and 4 the next, all the while keeping me on my toes on whether or not his latest injury would sideline him.

[Paulypalooza]

****, Det, please don't leave Boldin on the board. I don't want to be tempted.

[Paulypalooza]

Although it has been interesting comparing draft order to my average ranks scores for players...

How have things stacked up?

[Wook]

Don't worry. I failed my will save.

[Paulypalooza]

Don't worry. I failed my will save.

I was afraid I would to. By way of thanks I eliminated your colostomy bag from the board.

[Paulypalooza]

Chim, why the hell would you pick two top tier QB's? You do know you can only play one at a time.

[Brother Brian]

Well, after Brady goes down in Week 1 I know who to talk to. ;)

[Paulypalooza]

Well, after Brady goes down in Week 1 I know who to talk to. ;)

Matt Cassel?

[Brother Brian]

Matt Cassel?

I'm curious as to how he'll do this year without having the consistant dump off guy, (Welker).

[Paulypalooza]

I'm curious as to how he'll do this year without having the consistant dump off guy, (Welker).

Not nearly as well in KC as NE.

[Wook]

Not nearly as well in KC as NE.

I dunno about that. Bowe and Toomer isn't a bad receiver corps given his division. More importantly LJ has had two years of suck and seems to have is plate cleared going into this season. I can see Cassell putting up numbers worthy of at least backup consideration, and desirable as such no less.

[Detritus]

OK, draft boards are up to date through the Tony Romo selection. It would be peachy if the East Coasters could flip the draft into the 5th round tonight, but I don't know how much time carmachu will have after he gets home from work. He's still an estimated 5 hours from appearing on the scene in any event.

[Detritus]

Well, half the gang's here right now. Not the guy on the clock. That's usually the way these things go. I just got through a 12-team draft where there were several times where 11 of the owners were on the website -- everyone but the guy on the clock.

[Brother Brian]

Well, half the gang's here right now. Not the guy on the clock. That's usually the way these things go. I just got through a 12-team draft where there were several times where 11 of the owners were on the website -- everyone but the guy on the clock.

That makes sense. Because everybody makes picks quickly UNTIL the guy who's not there.

I'm going to forward you my two choices for my next pick. I've got karate tonight and won't be home until 10 or so. I'll hop on then for my 5th round pick.

[Detritus]

That makes sense. Because everybody makes picks quickly UNTIL the guy who's not there.
Yep. That draft went relatively quickly, though, 288 picks in 6 days. That would be like averaging 6 rounds a day in this draft.

I'm going to forward you my two choices for my next pick. I've got karate tonight and won't be home until 10 or so. I'll hop on then for my 5th round pick.
Thanks, and message received.

[carmachu]

Heh... I was tempted to take advantage of my n00b status and throw a monkey wrench into things by picking a QB first, while everyone else was focusing on RBs, just to see if the "wild, know-nothing n00b" factor might have had an effect on selection. Also, the idea of giving up xth place RB pick for a #1 QB pick was tempting. I'm just glad that I somehow managed to force someone's hand... :D


Naaaa....You did the right thing. I like being second to last or last in picking. I did exactly as you did, got decent RB and took the top QB on the way back up second round....

[Wook]

My mind boggles at some of what's still on the board. :sawink2:

[Paulypalooza]

My mind boggles at some of what's still on the board. :sawink2:

truley

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[Detritus]

**** and I have 4th-round proxies for BB and carmachu. I don't have any idea when Kal might swing by.

[Detritus]

Mars o'clock, natch.

[Wook]

Ok I'm outta here on my way home. If Kal shows up someone get him over here.

[Detritus]

All of this waiting is taking away my horny.

[Paulypalooza]

All of this waiting is taking away my horny.

There's a turn of phrase I never thought I'd hear. Certainly not about fantasy football

[Brother Brian]

It's not that kind of fantasy Det.

[Detritus]

It's a purely Platonic horny.

[Brother Brian]

It's a purely Platonic horny.

My brain just exploded trying to figure that out.

[Paulypalooza]

It's a purely Platonic horny.

http://wps.theoffside.com/files/2009/07/what-the-fuck-cat.jpg

[carmachu]

We're *still* waiting?!? Oy.

Hey I came home tonight expecting that I was the hold up. Hell I PM'd a pick so I owuldnt hold up Voodal.....

Of course we're waiting for the space cadet.....

[Wook]

Not only that but we're waiting for him on a date after he said he'd be available.... :/ We'll wait 24 hours and if he's not back by then I'll assign him the highest rated player off ESPN's live draft list that fills a need for a starter for him.

[voodazel]

Not only that but we're waiting for him on a date after he said he'd be available....

There better be pictures or it never happened.

[Detritus]

He did just finish either finals or comprehensives, I didn't pick up which, but a battery of tests of some sort. He might be blowing off a little steam right now. Though it would be nice to get through things with some dispatch, we're pretty much right at the pace we've typically proceeded at in the past.

[Paulypalooza]

Not only that but we're waiting for him on a date after he said he'd be available.... :/ We'll wait 24 hours and if he's not back by then I'll assign him the highest rated player off ESPN's live draft list that fills a need for a starter for him.

If we go ahead with this course of action is it going to be 24 hours from now, or from Chims last pick at 2:20?

[Wook]

If we go ahead with this course of action is it going to be 24 hours from now, or from Chims last pick at 2:20?

Under the assumption that he logs in once a day I'll give it to when I leave work tomorrow which should be between 4 and 5 PST, so 7 and 8 EST. That should be more than enough time for him to show up under normal circumstances.

[Kalzazz]

Hey, I picked twice yesterday, and now I have picked twice today

[Detritus]

Hey, I picked twice yesterday, and now I have picked twice today
Steve Smith has already been taken, so you need to try again. There is an updated list near the beginning of the draft thread that has everyone already selected.

[Kalzazz]

I did a search on 'Steve Smith', hoping to make it a year without trying to draft already picked players, mfff, stupid alternative ways of spelling Steve

I picked someone else now

[voodazel]

Alright sorry I was off for a minute. The woman got on the computer and decided she needed for a minute.

[Detritus]

OK, as of 0100 PDT Thursday, the Skillets are on the clock, the Monks are on deck, and Tribbles are in the hole. If there's any proxy picking to be done, **** is a better bet for the morning than I am.

[Detritus]

We just popped the TE cherry with the Jason Witten selection at 5.02. The middle rounds are quickly approaching.

[Brother Brian]

Dude, I love football, but I don't want to be intimate with it. You need some help man.

[Wook]

Roy Williams could be a huge win in the 5th round.

[Brother Brian]

Roy Williams could be a huge win in the 5th round.

I think so to. He's not a lock, but he has huge upside potential for a late round pick.

[Wook]

[Kirk Voice]
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/Kirk Voice]

[carmachu]

There's always one holding us up during the day. Kal is it this year....

[carmachu]

Heading out to grab some lunch... I'll be back in an hour or so.

We'll still be waiting.....bring us back some!

[Brother Brian]

Back from lunch, aaaaand... nothing. Okay. Anyhow, tried a new BBQ place. Not bad. Not great, mind you, but not bad.

What type of BBQ? Memphis, North Carolina, Thai?

[Brother Brian]

Generic "Southern" BBQ. For me, good BBQ requires two things: a) big flavours, adroitly balancing sweet, savoury and spicy and b) an almost unctuous texture and consistency to the protein. This place didn't really do those all that well. It wasn't utter garbage, I mean I had a decent lunch, but they're presenting themselves as BBQ specialists and they really are just journeymen.

For me it's all about slow cooking, smokey flavor, and the right dry rub, (not too sweet, but just a bit.)

You can keep your sauce, though.

[Brother Brian]

Right. The slow cooking is largely responsible for the texture and consistency of the protein and the "right" dry rub balances sweet, savoury and spicy appropriately. All of which applies whether you use sauce or not.

Sauce is for the weak. ;)

[voodazel]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Brother Brian]

Or for those whose skills are up to managing the balance, either in the construction or in the appreciation. :sagrin:

Naw, just the weak. :smokin:

(I'm a Memphis BBQ guy myself.) This whole "Southern" BBQ thing makes no sense to me.

[voodazel]

You know I cook a great steak with a marinade of my own design. It is awesome. but my GF insists on eating it with A1. It annoys the hell out of me.

[voodazel]

Well we all enjoy a steak with specialty sauces once in a while. But damn, the girl insists on not even trying it. She just wasn't her A1.

Next time I'm going to buy her a cheap ass sirloin and marinade it with A1. She'll probably still want A1 on it.

[voodazel]

Close, Med-well. Of course she says she wants it Medium...but it's always under cooked.

[voodazel]

Well she makes dessert.....<cough> ....yeah , that more than makes up for it.

[Brother Brian]

Argh. All I can say, dude, is that it must be true love, because I don't know if I could stand to watch that sort of disrespect being done to a steak for anything short of complete and total fairy-tale love...

While I do respect that it's hard to get a restaurant to cook a steak exactly how you like it; a little undercooked is always better than a little over cooked.

BTW: My comment on sauces really was just about BBQ, and specifically ribs. Pulled pork without sauce is just wrong. And can cause chafing.

Please Kal, make your pick so we can get off this subject.

[Wook]

I like my steak well done. An excellent chef can persuade me to go as far as medium well. I don't apologize for this. Food poisoning and explosive diarrhea of the ass are not fun. (But I also try to warn people of this so they don't "waste" expensive steaks upon my particular quirks.)

And since when did you get a SO Voodazle?

[carmachu]

And since when did you get a SO Voodazle?



Yeah, Paying Origen's mom doesnt count....

[Wook]

As opposed to your usual explosive diarrhea of the face?

Sorry, couldn't resist... :sagrin:

That brown stuff you see on my face in the pictures?

Not hair.

:sawink2:

[Detritus]

Well, shit.

**** and I have some proxy picks for Pauly's 5th & 6th rounders, so we have a decent chance of turning around the back half of the 5th and front half of the 6th pretty quickly once Kal hops on again. The extended waits are annoying, especially the not knowing when they'll end part. I'm assuming these delays aren't caused by spur of the moment things, in which case it would be nice to have an approximate time frame for their beginning and end.

[Wook]

Thanks be to Kal. I was wondering who was going to gamble on Mr. Marshall.

[Wook]

Ok. chim just snagged Pauly's other proxy pick so we'll have to wait for Pauly to get home. That might be later tonight but once he picks Detritus and I should be able to rattle ours off quickly and get back to him in short order.

[Kalzazz]

I sent Det who I want next

[Detritus]

Ok. chim just snagged Pauly's other proxy pick so we'll have to wait for Pauly to get home. That might be later tonight but once he picks Detritus and I should be able to rattle ours off quickly and get back to him in short order.
Actually, Pauly sent me a replacement for Witten, so I selected Gates for him.

I sent Det who I want next
Your guy will be guaranteed not to be there based on what I know already.

[Kalzazz]

Ah, well, I suggested someone else

[silverwhisper]

just spoke with ****, who called me to advise that he's en route to online-ness and to expect him in 40 mins.

[Detritus]

Ah, well, I suggested someone else
Got it, thanks. I'm pretty sure he'll be around for you.

[Paulypalooza]

Chim.....
YOU SUCK!

Stepping out for about an hour or so. I have proxy picks in so I can't hold us up.

[Wook]

Ryan grant at the end of the 5th round?

Ok. :D

And how Dallas Clark was still on as the 4th TE is beyond me. He's in the same boat that has everyone up on Witten with a better QB. :p

[Paulypalooza]

we have our first QB-WR hook up in Fitzy and Warner.

[Detritus]

we have our first QB-WR hook up in Fitzy and Warner.
It was a good one for me last year. It should be fine as long as Warner remains upright.

EDIT -- Eastern Time Zone lads at the front of the draft order, do your business!

[Paulypalooza]

It was a good one for me last year. It should be fine as long as Warner remains upright.

I didn't hear that.
*knocks on wood furiously*

[Detritus]

I didn't hear that.
*knocks on wood furiously*
Didn't hear what? That Warner has never started 16 games in consecutive seasons in his career? :satanlook:

[Paulypalooza]

Didn't hear what? That Warner has never started 16 games in consecutive seasons in his career? :satanlook:

*shoves fingers in his ears*
la la la la I can't hear yoooooou la la la la

[Wook]

Don't forget the east coast factor. Every time Warner and Fitzgerald travel back east? Suck.

[Detritus]

Yo, BB, the Monks are on the clock.

[Detritus]

I'm gaming and trying to keep track of the draft... am I up?
No, carmachu is up, and we have to get in voodazel's round 6/7 picks and past Kalzazz again before you are up. Could be an hour, could be sometime tomorrow before you're up, I don't know.

[Brother Brian]

Sorry about that, when I hit reply I got a "no network connection error". No idea why; but I had to reboot vista on the laptop to get it to connect.

Hopefully Carm and V move quick and I'll be able to make my Round 6 pick tonight. Otherwise, it probably won't be until after noon tommorow; I'm off site all morning.

[Detritus]

I just got 7th round proxies from carmachu. Voodazel is up at the 6/7 turn.

[Wook]

Voo is off playing poker right now. Should hop online once he's home laterz.

[Brother Brian]

Just sent you my 7th round proxy as well.

Kal, this means that once Voodazel picks, you should get ready to make your pick quickly.

[Kalzazz]

I IMed Det

[Detritus]

The Gorillas are on the clock. I am probably going to be PMing one or two people a proxy list, since it is looking like we will get to my turn a little bit after my projected bedtime.

[carmachu]

Going to work, be back noon EST, but I think I have plenty of time...

[Detritus]

I fell asleep without sending out proxy picks. Sorry about that.

[Wook]

It's ok. You're back on da clock.

[Detritus]

Kal is on the clock, and I just saw him post a reply in the V:tM PBP game, so he should be here shortly. His PM box is full again, however.

[Kalzazz]

Okay, picked (I tried to pick someone that wasnt picked, even though list wasnt updated), Detritus or BB are empowered to pick a suitable replacement if I picked someone that was already picked

[Detritus]

Okay, picked (I tried to pick someone that wasnt picked, even though list wasnt updated), Detritus or BB are empowered to pick a suitable replacement if I picked someone that was already picked
I know it's hard to believe that Braylon fell to 8.05, but he did. You're OK with that pick.

[Wook]

McNabb at 8.2 was pretty criminal.

Pittsburgh's D so early? Meh. Not sure how I feel about that. I think some of these TE picks we've seen were stretching a bit too.

[Kalzazz]

The TE comment might have been made in my direction, but then, I might not know what Im doing either

[Wook]

The TE comment might have been made in my direction, but then, I might not know what Im doing either

Not just you Kal. there were a few where I was left scratching my head.

[Detritus]

I almost passed on McNabb even at 8.02. There is a lot of value that has been had, and yet to be had, at other positions since the McNabb pick, though I'm perfectly happy to get him as my 8th-rounder. I'm not sure if BB's list from last night is meant to cover picks beyond the 7th round, but he's going to get a nice one if he picks the highest guy remaining from that list. That'll help make up for a reach with the Pitt D/ST.

[Wook]

He's got a lot of awesome options left on the board. There's a few in particular where I'm like, "Really?" I considered overloading myself at a couple of positions it was so tempting.

[Brother Brian]

As to how I'm picking, I've put together a spreadsheet of average expected points based on a few different sites projections.

Not only am I looking at who do I think gets me the most points, but also, how many points do I lose if I fall a few spaces. And this year D had a significant drop off between Pitt and others, especially in terms of consistancy. Meanwhile, there's not much difference between the remaining WR on the board.

[Wook]

Oh I think we're into the doldrums of WR picks now. I think there's still some amazing values at other positions out there. (One of which you just gobbled bastard!) I don't necessarily agree with your thinking wrt D/ST but I can see how it would lead to what you did.

[Brother Brian]

Oh I think we're into the doldrums of WR picks now. I think there's still some amazing values at other positions out there. (One of which you just gobbled bastard!) I don't necessarily agree with your thinking wrt D/ST but I can see how it would lead to what you did.

I've been in drafts where I did the whole "Don't draft to early" mantra, now I fill needs as I need them. We'll see how it works out.

[Brother Brian]

Carm, Det already took Olsen. Try again.

:shrug:

[carmachu]

Damn and I looked too.

[carmachu]

Ok, repicked.

[Brother Brian]

Anyone got an idea when Voodazel will be around. I've got a meeting in 5 minutes, and don't want to hold up the draft...but I'd kind of like to see his picks before making a decision.

[Wook]

I just texted him to let him know he's back on the clock. He may be in startup mode. Not sure.

[carmachu]

Anyone got an idea when Voodazel will be around. I've got a meeting in 5 minutes, and don't want to hold up the draft...but I'd kind of like to see his picks before making a decision.

thats kinda how I am, unless I need a position

[Detritus]

On the Pittsburgh D/ST thing, I can see both sides of it. If you think there's just a gray goo left at your positions of need, it's worth taking a shot with a top-shelf D. I also think in this particular instance, there were some WR there at 7.03 that I would have rather had than Pitt (Housh, Braylon, and Royal in particular). I think Kev Smiff would have been a worthy pick there, too, and the fact he dropped back down to 8.06 basically means that BB "got away with" the Pitt pick at 7.03. Although, it would have been nice to get Housh, Smith, and then Pitt in the 7th-9th. That might have been in play, the way things turned out.

[Brother Brian]

On the Pittsburgh D/ST thing, I can see both sides of it. If you think there's just a gray goo left at your positions of need, it's worth taking a shot with a top-shelf D. I also think in this particular instance, there were some WR there at 7.03 that I would have rather had than Pitt (Housh, Braylon, and Royal in particular). I think Kev Smiff would have been a worthy pick there, too, and the fact he dropped back down to 8.06 basically means that BB "got away with" the Pitt pick at 7.03. Although, it would have been nice to get Housh, Smith, and then Pitt in the 7th-9th. That might have been in play, the way things turned out.

Sure, but hindsight is 20/20, I rather expected that as we were all close to filling up our starters; that someone might open up the D/ST picks, and get people thinking that way. With Pitt being 2 pts a game or more better than most of the league, and with it being consistant, I thought that the WR I expected to be left, (I didn't expect Smith to still be on the table. I think the Detroit line scares people), would be reasonably close to Braylon's expected value.

[Wook]

Given their own division, and that they get the AFC North this year, I think the steelers are as good as you'll get for being a lock to be a top 8 D and have upside but you could have casually waited another 3 rounds and gotten one with chances almost as good to lock that top 8 spot.

[Brother Brian]

OK, discussions of my strategy / idiocy aside...

I'm heading home. **** and Det have my picks in order.

I'll be prepping for a weekend project, but will check in as often as I can.

Thanks.

[Detritus]

**** and I have Pauly's 9th-round picks, one of which is sure of going through at this point, so we have the capacity to get the draft around to his 10th-round pick for when he gets off work.

I also posted a list of drafted players grouped by position here (http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showpost.php?p=310975), which may be a little easier to read through when you are looking for whether or not a player at a particular position has already been drafted. I'll keep it updated along with the other lists.

[Wook]

I'm going to be away from my computer most of this evening. So if Carm shows up while I'm not here those who have my ph# feel free to page me. I could have computer access whre I'll be.

[Paulypalooza]

I'm back and reserve the right to trash those proxy picks.

[Detritus]

I'm back and reserve the right to trash those proxy picks.
An owner's live choices override proxies, for sure.

[Paulypalooza]

Watching the Cowboys, Titans game. The Titans punter came dangerously close to hitting the jumbo scoreboard over the field. What happens when somebody does? Dead ball and re-kick?

[Paulypalooza]

Apparently Greg Hentrik the Titans backup punter hit the scoreboard 4 times in a row in pregame warm-ups.

[Detritus]

Watching the Cowboys, Titans game. The Titans punter came dangerously close to hitting the jumbo scoreboard over the field. What happens when somebody does? Dead ball and re-kick?
I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen it before. There must be rules somewhere that cover it.

[Paulypalooza]

First game in the new stadium and a punt just hit the scoreboard. How come nobody thought of this when it was being built?

BTW dead ball and re-kick.

[voodazel]

FYI to the last post in the Draft thread.


My 2nd receiver pick was not listed.

Dwayne Bowe, WR KC

Det, you may want to update that before someone thinks he wasn't choosen.

[Detritus]

FYI to the last post in the Draft thread.


My 2nd receiver pick was not listed.

Dwayne Bowe, WR KC

Det, you may want to update that before someone thinks he wasn't choosen.
OK, fixed that. Good catch.

Looks like we are done for the evening. Ivory Tower Gorillas are up for pick 9.05. **** and I have some proxies for Pauly, covering the 9th-11th rounds. They should all be available when the time comes.

[Kalzazz]

I IMed Det a pick for next round

My internet connection was very problematic tonight, I replied to the GURPS game, then couldnt get connected again for a couple hours

I will periodically be around and able to access PC tomorrow, but, if the internet decides not to cooperate again may get dicier, so, if necessary (and if BB is willing) I authorize him to pick for me if I cause to much delay

[Detritus]

I just texted **** to let him know he is on the clock @ 9.08.

[voodazel]

I hath woken the ****. He shall be picking shortly.

[Wook]

blech. Picks made, det back on the clock.

[Detritus]

The WCT feel that they have committed more highway robbery at QB by selecting Jay Cutler in the 10th. We'll see how that works out. The Demolition's pick by proxy is also in the books, so the Gorillas are on the clock.

[Wook]

I concur. At least 2 of the QB's that left the board before this were head scratchers IMHO.

[Kalzazz]

were they both my picks?

[Brother Brian]

Cutler starts great, ends crappy. He had 4 games last year where he underscored Brady in 1 quarter.

[Paulypalooza]

the Bal Def/ST makes three times Chim snaked a player right out from under me.

[Brother Brian]

I've got to go out to dinner with the family now and won't be back on 'til later tonight. I hereby authorize Detritus to make my next pick for me. To be honest, I'm kind of barely hanging on pick to pick here, so I don't have a list of candidates to send him. If simply asking him to make a pick for me isn't cool, I understand, but I won't be able to put a pick together until 10:30'ish.

Check your priorities man. Geesh.

(Have fun with the family.)

[Detritus]

I've got to go out to dinner with the family now and won't be back on 'til later tonight. I hereby authorize Detritus to make my next pick for me. To be honest, I'm kind of barely hanging on pick to pick here, so I don't have a list of candidates to send him. If simply asking him to make a pick for me isn't cool, I understand, but I won't be able to put a pick together until 10:30'ish.
I can make your next pick for you. Since you still only have 2 WRs, I'll look to that position and see what I can come up with.

[Detritus]

I've got some proxy picks for Kal, so we're set up to make some progress, assuming I don't go mad, MAD with power with Chim's roster. Technically I'm only authorized to make his next pick for him, so it shouldn't be too bad.

[Detritus]

McFadden was drafted in the 6th round. It's even the first post on Page 2 of the draft thread if you put 40 posts per page. :grin:

Please try again.

[carmachu]

This what you get when you have a wife nagging while trying to read the list...

[carmachu]

Alright repicked.

[Detritus]

OK, the Monks are on the clock. I'm going to be playing D&D tonight, so I will forward everything I have to **** if I leave before we've advanced any further in the draft.

[Wook]

I'm home, available, and have proxy picks for Pauly as well.

[Brother Brian]

OK, did I just get a pro bowl RB from last year in the 10th round?

[carmachu]

It remains to be seen if he plays. I considered him, but being light on the RB status, I couldnt chance him sitting out a couple games in contract disputes...

[Wook]

An emo pro bowl running back who isn't going to score 13 TD's again and lost his all time great QB for a rookie? Yeah you did. ;)

[Detritus]

Pauly's on the clock as of 0300 PDT. We're just about out of the final turn and heading down the home stretch.

[Detritus]

Knowshon Moreno was taken at 9.07. Please make another selection.

[Detritus]

I got the proxy picks you sent to **** and me, Pauly, but some of them are already off the board. You'll have to dig a little deeper at that position. ;)

[carmachu]

I'm leaving for work in an hour. I sent 4 picks in a list. I'll be back 6:30 est if they are all taken.

[Detritus]

I'm leaving for work in an hour. I sent 4 picks in a list. I'll be back 6:30 est if they are all taken.
These picks cover both of the next two rounds?

EDIT -- I guess the length of the list is the tip-off that the proxies are, in fact, for the next two rounds. I'll draft accordingly.

[carmachu]

yes. Just run down teh list. I'll be back this evening if not.

[voodazel]

Is it just me or does it seem longer than just a few hours since the last pick?

[Detritus]

OK, we're finally back on track. I stepped away from the computer then fell asleep just before Kal made his last pick, unfortunately, so I couldn't put the proxies I had into play, but we should be getting back on course pretty soon.

[carmachu]

heh, you made the pick by proxy 15 minutes before I got on,....

[Wook]

I'm home and will be for the rest of the evening.

[Detritus]

I'm home and will be for the rest of the evening.
I emailed voodazel, he will be home shortly and email me picks.

[Detritus]

OK, I just got voodazel's picks, but it looks like he is also online, so I will let him enter his picks. I've got proxy picks for carm, BB, and Kal, so the Ivory Tower Gorillas will be on the clock pretty soon, and then I have proxies for Pauly as well, so we will be getting around to **** in the not too distant future.

EDIT -- Scratch that, I'll just enter everything I've got right now. ITG will be on the clock shortly.

[carmachu]

Damn det, do any of us have to be online? :D

[Detritus]

OK, I just got voodazel's picks, but it looks like he is also online, so I will let him enter his picks. I've got proxy picks for carm, BB, and Kal, so the Ivory Tower Gorillas will be on the clock pretty soon, and then I have proxies for Pauly as well, so we will be getting around to **** in the not too distant future.

EDIT -- Scratch that, I'll just enter everything I've got right now. ITG will be on the clock shortly.
Speak now on any proxies that don't meet with your management's plans. I think I got everything sorted out.

ITG are on the clock.

[Detritus]

Damn det, do any of us have to be online? :D
If you all give me proxies, I'll happily enter everything I get. :grin:

[Detritus]

If you all give me proxies, I'll happily enter everything I get. :grin:
If everyone can hang around, ITG will be back on the clock shortly. I just realized that the stuff the Pauly and **** sent me earlier in the day will go through Pauly's 14th-rounder without a conflict, and I know who I want, also.

[Brother Brian]

An emo pro bowl running back who isn't going to score 13 TD's again and lost his all time great QB for a rookie? Yeah you did. ;)

Yeah, but he's my fourth RB. An injury or trade later, and I've got a very talented back who could do big things.

[carmachu]

If you all give me proxies, I'll happily enter everything I get. :grin:



Dont make any more picks for me unless I drop you a PM. PLease. I want to see how things update.

[Detritus]

Dont make any more picks for me unless I drop you a PM. PLease. I want to see how things update.
No problemo. I think everyone's lists are just about tapped out, anyways. Draft lists are updated through Pauly's 14.03 pick.

[Paulypalooza]

just got home from work give me a few minutes to look at the updated lists of who's off the board

[Detritus]

just got home from work give me a few minutes to look at the updated lists of who's off the board
You're not actually on the clock. I went ahead and selected Carson Palmer for you in the 14th after selecting Bennett in the 13th. If this is a problem, let me know, we haven't gone too far upstream from 14.03, although I think Palmer in the 14th a) meets a need for you and b) is a steal where you got him.

Tribbles are presently on the clock.

[Wook]

A kicker this early? (Any time beofre the last round)

/mocks BB
/laughs uproariously

[Paulypalooza]

Sorry wrong round I saw Chims pick and though I was up

[Paulypalooza]

You're not actually on the clock. I went ahead and selected Carson Palmer for you in the 14th after selecting Bennett in the 13th. If this is a problem, let me know, we haven't gone too far upstream from 14.03, although I think Palmer in the 14th a) meets a need for you and b) is a steal where you got him.

Tribbles are presently on the clock.

I'm good with all that

[Detritus]

OK, it's Kal on the clock, BB on deck, and carmachu in the hole. With luck, we might finish tomorrow, or I'm guessing Tuesday at the latest.

[Brother Brian]

A kicker this early? (Any time beofre the last round)

/mocks BB
/laughs uproariously

Laugh if you must. The way I figure,guys who will be sitting on my bench are less valuable than guys who will be earning me points every week.

[silverwhisper]

who's CB inc? i'm curious about the thinking re: hakeem nicks, rookie WR, NYG. if one's going to select a rookie WR, i'm mystified at the idea of picking a giants rookie WR, but esp nicks over ramses barden,who the giants selected in the 3rd round.

[Detritus]

who's CB inc? i'm curious about the thinking re: hakeem nicks, rookie WR, NYG. if one's going to select a rookie WR, i'm mystified at the idea of picking a giants rookie WR, but esp nicks over ramses barden,who the giants selected in the 3rd round.
Chewbitcha, Inc. = ****

Nicks was a 1st rounder, BTW. Barden is pretty raw compared to Nicks, though I'm not sure Nicks will have all that much of an impact this season. Of course, we're into the teens in the draft, the pickings do start getting slim in these parts.

[silverwhisper]

o, i know nicks was a first-rounder, but his camp has been unexceptional. good point re: where we are in the draft, though.

[Wook]

Laugh if you must. The way I figure,guys who will be sitting on my bench are less valuable than guys who will be earning me points every week.

If you've correctly selected the best kicker in the league for the year, which is extremely unlikely, you might have netted yourself ~1 point per game on the year. There's all sorts of other players who have more upside.

[Brother Brian]

If you've correctly selected the best kicker in the league for the year, which is extremely unlikely, you might have netted yourself ~1 point per game on the year. There's all sorts of other players who have more upside.

Actually If I correctly netted one of the top 3 kickers, which based on previous performance is highly likely, I've netted myself +3 points a game on average, over the average.

Balance that against the 0 points that my bench players will give me.

Seriously, I don't see that there's anybody left in the draft that I would expect to be anything more than a spot starter. So I wanted to be sure my starters were all set.

[silverwhisper]

o **** (http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showpost.php?p=311326&postcount=255)?

[whistles innocently]

:>

[Wook]

o **** (http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showpost.php?p=311326&postcount=255)?

[whistles innocently]

:>

Det already answered that one. :sawink2:

[Wook]

Actually If I correctly netted one of the top 3 kickers, which based on previous performance is highly likely, I've netted myself +3 points a game on average, over the average.

Balance that against the 0 points that my bench players will give me.

Seriously, I don't see that there's anybody left in the draft that I would expect to be anything more than a spot starter. So I wanted to be sure my starters were all set.

Yeah but maybe 1pt/gm as compared to the #8 kicker. And you'll still find better bench players with more upside than that. A kicker will never go off for 20 points as your flex option for you. Your bench players will with something resembling regularity by comparison.

[silverwhisper]

i still think it an odd choice.

[Wook]

Well he's a flyer. If you look at the bye weeks of the players I've selected so far you'll see that I'll never actually need to start him. But they brought him in to be Eli's new #1 target and if that's true then he'll have value far and above where I selected and if it's not I'll just replace him with something useful off the waiver wire.

[Wook]

Now for BB, and everyone else, concerning kickers...

Last year the #1 kicker was Gastkowski at 152 pts.
Last year the #8 kicker was Elam at 139 pts
Last year the #16 kicker was Gould at 124 pts

The drop off from the #1 kicker to the #16 bye week scrub was less than 2 pts per game. Taking a kicker anytime before your last pick is a waste. There will ALWAYS be someone with more upside than that to take.

[carmachu]

Going to work shortly. Be back 9:30 pm EST. Left some picks with Det and ****.

[Brother Brian]

Sorry about the delay, I was called to an emergency meeting and didn't have time to proxy picks.

[Brother Brian]

Now for BB, and everyone else, concerning kickers...

Last year the #1 kicker was Gastkowski at 152 pts.
Last year the #8 kicker was Elam at 139 pts
Last year the #16 kicker was Gould at 124 pts

The drop off from the #1 kicker to the #16 bye week scrub was less than 2 pts per game. Taking a kicker anytime before your last pick is a waste. There will ALWAYS be someone with more upside than that to take.

Fair enough.

BUT

The number 5 reciever on the average team scored 0 points a game...because he was sitting on the bench.

[Kalzazz]

Ive had weeks where my kicker was my #1 contributor

[Detritus]

OK, Carlson was the last guy on carm's proxy list. We have the green light to pick a kicker for him. Who do we think the best K available is? Bironas? Crosby? Someone else? I think I'd give the edge to Bironas, but I don't have any very strong opinions on the subject.

[Kalzazz]

I really like Akers from Philadelphia as he was one of my best players last year, but I honestly have no clue

[Wook]

Akers is probably the best all things considered.

[Brother Brian]

Akers is probably the best all things considered.

According to my sheet, Ryan Longwell is #2, by .1 points ppg over Akers.

That said, I like Akers myself, Longwell got too much of a bump by the Farve signing if you ask me.

[Detritus]

OK, sounds like the consensus contra WCT is David Akers. Sounds good to me.

[Wook]

Fair enough.

BUT

The number 5 reciever on the average team scored 0 points a game...because he was sitting on the bench.

You're missing the point. By taking Gaskowski you passed on...

Donald Driver
Laveranues Coles
Martelleous Bennete
Chris Henry
Torry Holt
Hakeem Nicks
San Diego
Carson Palmer
Cedric Benson
Jamal Lewis


...the draft is about locking up the rights to guys you think could do well. Several of the names on that list scored enough points last year that they wound up being worth starting. Some of them have upside to make me think they'll get it again. And you passed on it for a kicker?

[Brother Brian]

No, really, I do get the point.

I don't think that any of the players you listed will do well enough to get regular playing time on MMM.

Now I'll grant you, I was one round early, I had another pick before the next kicker was taken. But that's just risk tolerance.

Of all the players taken, the only one on my radar was Bennett. I'm not all that choked up over getting Carlson instead.

[Wook]

No, really, I do get the point.

If you'd gotten the point you wouldn't be taking a kicker till the 17th round. :sawink2: The 1pt/gm over the course of a season, for someone you're going to drop when their bye week rolls around isn't worth it. You're passing up on free lottery tickets in the meantime.

[Kalzazz]

Honestly Im just hoping one of the 3 QB's I picked amounts to something

My starting QBs of previous seasons are both no longer starters . . . I may have doomed Matt Ryan

[Brother Brian]

If you'd gotten the point you wouldn't be taking a kicker till the 17th round. :sawink2: The 1pt/gm over the course of a season, for someone you're going to drop when their bye week rolls around isn't worth it. You're passing up on free lottery tickets in the meantime.

Ah, I consider the lottery to be a tax on people bad at math.
:sacool:

[Wook]

Ah, I consider the lottery to be a tax on people bad at math.
:sacool:

When Hackeem nicks is going off for 20pts a game, or any of those other players turns out to be starter material, we'll have a talk about who's bad at math.

[Detritus]

When Hackeem nicks is going off for 20pts a game, or any of those other players turns out to be starter material, we'll have a talk about who's bad at math.
Let's not go nuts here. This is Randy Moss's stat line from 2007:

98 catches, 1493 yards, 23 TDs.

It was a historically great season, to say the least. That stat line adds up to about 262 points for the whole season, based on our scoring rules, which is 16 points and change per game. 10-12 PPG is a stud receiver. 10 PPG is 80-1200-10 for a WR, and that's a huge season.

This isn't to say that e.g. the Cincinnati guys who all went in the 13th/14th can't produce starter-quality stats, it just won't be 20 PPG from the WR slot. Hell, I don't think Palmer will put up 20 a game at QB, though he might make a run at it. Just like Coles might put up 100 catches as the new Housh, or Chris Henry might score 8-10 TDs if his head is screwed on straight (recall he scored 9 in 36 catches in his second season, during Palmer's career year in '06) or Benson could theoretically have a Rudi Johnson-ish season. None of those things ends up producing 20 PPG, though more generally they could be difference makers.

Especially Henry. :grin:

[silverwhisper]

**** quoth:
when hackeem nicks is going off for 20pts a game, or any of those other players turns out to be starter material, we'll have a talk about who's bad at math.
i so hope you're right, man.

[Brother Brian]

When Hackeem nicks is going off for 20pts a game, or any of those other players turns out to be starter material, we'll have a talk about who's bad at math.

Dude, when Hackeem Nicks is going off for 20 pts a game...we'll talk about whatever Bizzaro world we've been trapped in.

[Wook]

20/gm totally exaggerating. But there is always guys every year who come from late rounds to put up ridiculous numbers compared to where they're at. And you'll never get that out of a kicker. Ever. But you can get it out of other skilled positions taken this late in the draft.

[Brother Brian]

An old stats prof of mine played the lottery. He used to get asked about that by students, how was it that he, a stats professor, who knew and understood odds better than most people on the planet, would play the lottery. His reply that his odds of winning the money were still higher than his odds of earning that much. And bad at math he wasn't.

Nope, not bad at math, but he made some dumb rationalizations. :sagrin:

[Brother Brian]

Dude, that was a joke.

Play, don't play, I don't care.

The reality is it's usually a VERY bad bet.