I HATE YAHOO!!!

[Wook]

Parz's response to the whole fumble thing.

I concur. The fumble should be charged to Special Teams/Defense, rather than an individual player.

Unfortunately, the commish tools aren't precise enough to fix this error. I can't modify stats for a single player in a single game, or modify how Yahoo charges stats to players. To remove the penalty on this lost fumble, I'd have to remove the penalties from all lost fumbles over the course of the entire season, and cause quite a bit of chaos in the standings.

I apologize. You got hosed, but unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much I can do to rectify the situation.

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!

That is all.

[voodazel]

Umm....****,

Yahoo says you won the game bro.

I'm not sure why your mad.

[Detritus]

Yahoo took the lost fumble away from Bowe overnight.

[Detritus]

So what's the final result? Have the Wily Corn Trolls been corn holed?! Did the Wookies employ the secret Brazilian play from their playbook and snatch the key victory?!? Football-ignoramus fantasy football fans DEMAND to know!!!
If **** won, then I lost. It requires no knowledge of fantasy football to make this conclusion, BTW, if you've been paying attention to everything else that's been written.

[Detritus]

Dude, I get that if **** wins, you lose -- don't be a pissy dork, please. I've been a loyal WCT fan the whole season, dammit; don't turn on your public!!

Secondly, I have been paying attention, but I don't watch football, I don't know who's really on what team and I have no clue about who is affected how by a fumble (or, apparently, a reversed or not TD) -- all I knew is that the outcome of the game hinged on a bit of controversy. Even when it was resolved, I wasn't sure what that meant. I don't know the scoring structure.
There's a simple declarative statement about the outcome of the game in this thread. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find it and meditate on its meaning, but I think it's pretty obvious, and requires no knowledge of the technicalities of our league's scoring.

Furthermore, I explained the technicalities in these posts, and here are the relevant sections:

http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showpost.php?p=245227&postcount=35

Dwayne Bowe, for some unfathomable reason, is being charged with a lost fumble. Nothing in the play-by-play from the Chargers-Chiefs game indicates that he even lost a fumble that was overturned, let alone that he actually turned the ball over. That should be +2 for the Wookies.

http://forum.criticalfumble.net/showpost.php?p=245227&postcount=37

Romo's safety occurred after a sack and the ball rolling out of the end zone. The refs might have blown the whistle before the fumble, although the ball was definitely out before he was down by contact. Even if this is ruled a fumble, I'm not completely sure whether it counts as a turnover if you lose a fumble that results in a safety. Now that I think about it, I'm guessing not, but as I said, I don't know for sure. So, no firm idea whether this will be a -2 for the Wookies or not. We'll see when Yahoo turns the crank tonight.
The fumble is listed in the NFL.com play-by-play, but I think it's not a turnover because Dallas retains possession in order to make the free kick after the safety. Therefore my best guess for the score of the Wookies-Trolls game is 78.7-77.6 in favor of the Wookies.
I therefore submit that if you had been paying attention, you'd know what was going on, and the reference to Bowe's lost fumble is associated with the first quote. This is neither rocket science nor neuroscience we're talking about here.

[Wook]

YAY! Yahoo came to their senses. :sacool:

I still hates them but yay!

[Detritus]

Well shit, dude, I guess I must have missed some of that. So sorry to have asked a question, really. I absolutely grovel in mortification.
I don't know what to say, Chim. It's all there in black-and-white, including a point-blank statement that **** ended up winning, and I don't think the technicalities are really that complicated, either -- it's just Players A, B, & C might have scoring adjustments based on whether they really lost a fumble or not. Player A is on Team X, Players B & C are on Team Y. The reasoning just isn't that tricky, IMO.

Better luck next year.
Yeah, thanks.

[voodazel]

:horse:


Yeah that about says it.

[Detritus]

:horse:


Yeah that about says it.
That's easy for you to say, your team won last week. ;)

[Wook]

That's easy for you to say, your team won last week. ;)

I got amazingly lucky on so many counts it's not even funny. While that is why they play the games, we've had an amazing level of parity this season. I wouldn't feel too bad if I were you. You obviously drafted the superior team amongst all of us and did a better job of managing it overall. I also believe you've been in the playoffs all 4 years we've done this yes?

[Detritus]

I got amazingly lucky on so many counts it's not even funny. While that is why they play the games, we've had an amazing level of parity this season. I wouldn't feel too bad if I were you. You obviously drafted the superior team amongst all of us and did a better job of managing it overall. I also believe you've been in the playoffs all 4 years we've done this yes?
I missed the playoffs last year with an 8-6 record. Actually, I did what carmachu seems to be in the middle of doing now -- I barely missed the playoffs and then crushed the consolation bracket. I think I had high score in both Weeks 15 and 16 last year.

I'm 0-3 in the semifinals. :(

[Kalzazz]

Last year I was lucky and grabbed Brett Favre off the scrap heap and made it to the last game

This year I teetered into the consolation bracket on the strength of the 9 and 10 guys being even worse than me

[Detritus]

Dude? I don't know the basic language -- I have no clue what losing a fumble is. I have the vague sense that a fumble is when you drop the ball and that it's perhaps not as simple as just picking it back up. For you, this stuff is pre-parsed because you actually follow sports. I know nothing about football -- nada. You're immersed in this in a way I simply am not. Now, perhaps, if I'd read over all of the relevant threads more carefully and took some more time with it, it'dve been clearer. But I missed the explicit statement that **** won -- and that's basically all I was asking.
I still maintain you don't need to know exactly what a lost fumble is (and I'm not even going to spell it out in this post, because it's irrelevant IMO :p), just that it has an effect on a team's score and that they can be temporarily attributed to a player by mistake. In the final Week 15 unofficial score report, I explicitly stated both of these facts, and the magnitude of the score adjustment in the case of a reversal. Also, Dwayne Bowe is explicitly associated with ****'s team in that post, although I grant that wouldn't be something you'd necessarily remember. The association was there, though.

If all you were following were outcomes, I believe I explained enough of the language for you to follow along, and that my conclusion about inattention, while perhaps a trifle pissy, was also perfectly sound. For that matter, it's a lot easier to call someone a "pissy dork" just after they absorbed a 1-point loss from the peanut gallery. Maybe next time you back your shit up by playing?

[Brother Brian]

Last year I didn't play. :)

This year I mismanaged the QB position after Brady was lost 30 minutes into the season, because to be honest I wasn't happy with any of the picks, all of whom had consistancy issues. Losing bush for 4 weeks didn't help either.

On the other hand, I'm kind of proud of myself for recognizing that Turner was going to be a points grabber.

[Kalzazz]

Im 0 for 2 when it comes to picking QBs in the draft

[Brother Brian]

Im 0 for 2 when it comes to picking QBs in the draft

Oh, I was fine picking them in the draft. But when I ended up with 2nd tier QB's, I overthought it, and consistantly had my best QB on the bench.

Barring other changes, had I gone with Cassell from week 7 on, I would be playing in the finals right now.

[Kalzazz]

In the draft I picked Anderson, Schaub and Delhomme . . . the highest ranked of those three now is uhm, 19

[Brother Brian]

In the draft I picked Anderson, Schaub and Delhomme . . . the highest ranked of those three now is uhm, 19

Yikes...yeah that was pretty bad.

[carmachu]

I missed the playoffs last year with an 8-6 record. Actually, I did what carmachu seems to be in the middle of doing now -- I barely missed the playoffs and then crushed the consolation bracket. I think I had high score in both Weeks 15 and 16 last year.

I'm 0-3 in the semifinals. :(


I dont mind that much. This is the 3rd year playing in FF, and frankly I'm finally getting the hang of it and happy with my record.

Especially if you remember last year I won ONE game....and that one game was the season high one week total of 160ish points.

[Detritus]

Yeah, I really feel like playing now. For whatever reason, the matter was less than clear to me -- you seem to feel that I somehow should have been able to get it without asking. Fine, I guess that makes me an idiot. But you are still totally being a pissy dork. I'm really sorry your team lost and I'm really sorry my curiosity and confusion are so irritating for you. Oh yeah, and fuck you, by the way.
Let's get this out in the open. "Pissy dork" is rather thinly veiled language for "sore loser." You want to go that route because my "ZOMG, n00b!" reflex wasn't completely tamped down this morning, fine, but let me point a few things out:

I was the one who first found all the controversial stuff.

I was the one who told the Commissioner (Parz) about the fact that the game scoring didn't match up with the league rules.

I was the one, 10 hours before ****'s rant (which, at the time, was completely justified, because it looked like he was about to get boned) who said he was getting screwed on the league message board, when Parz said he couldn't do anything to adjust the scoring except make it worse.

So while you're pissing and moaning about how I'm not being charitable in my judgments, just realize that there's plenty of that going on at your end, too.

Oh, yeah, and do remember the thread where you got into kind of a heated argument with BB about MMA or UFC, y'know, the one that actually got discussed a little bit in the main forum? The one where I said I thought about stepping in but let it go? Do you remember your reaction after I said that? Do you remember mine?

You were being a hell of a lot pissier then than I am now, and I just let it go, although I will have to confess to an eye roll or two during that sequence. In fact, I even seem to recall encouraging you to stick around Thunderdome, that I understood that that was just the way you guys argued, and just make sure not to take it any farther. I can't believe this thread is how you're repaying me for that, that you went straight for the sore loser button at the first sign of crossness from me.

Well, since I'm a sore loser, you can take your false apologies and shove them straight up your ass. I don't need to take that shit from you.

[voodazel]

I just want to go on record saying I think the smilie beating the horse is funny as all hell....my main objective was to use it in the first thing that may be relevant. It was not designed to upset anyone. So just want to apologize to anyone I upset.

Thank you.


As for the past records. I'm just happy to be here and I wish everyone (except **** :th_SmlyROFL: ) good luck this week end.