Cowboys coach annouces retirement

[carmachu]

Just heard on sports news....Parcels announced he's retiring form coaching...now.

[silverwhisper]

goodbye, tuna. the sport is poorer for your absence. and so are the sportsrwiters.

my condolences, pauly.

[Wook]

goodbye, tuna. the sport is poorer for your absence. and so are the sportsrwiters.

my condolences, pauly.

Indeed. One wonders if any other coach can tame the TO and put together as solid of a season as the cowboys had. It'll be interesting to see what the fallout from this is.

[carmachu]

"Sometimes change is good," Owens told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on Monday. "I think it was needed."

"Coming into this season and this situation, I wanted to be positive," Owens told the Star-Telegram. "When I talked to [Parcells] for the first time we left an impression on each other. I still think he is a great guy. But he is like my grandmother. You love the person, but they are stuck in their old-school ways. You can't move them from their way of thought."


A word to T.O.:


STFU!

YOU havent done much of anything, despite your talent.He's taken 4 teams to the playoffs, and a couple superbowl rings, and turned teams around(I remember his time here at the Jets).

YOU havent done anything to think your even fit to breath the same air as Parcels. When you actually win something, then comeback and talk.

[silverwhisper]

that whiny, no-good little bitch!

[Chris]

Agreed. The glorious tradition that is the NFL is damaged by his very participation. TO is a blight on football.

It would be one thing if he was a phenomenal player. But the windbag lead the league in dropped passes, didn't he?

He needs to just shut his trap and show some respect to a man who has more than earned it. Comparing him to his grandmother? WTF is that? Crass.

He should pray every minute of every day that he's even blessed to still be around the game at all.

::shakes head in disgust::

[BattleNymph]

Agreed. The glorious tradition that is the NFL is damaged by his very participation. TO is a blight on football.

It would be one thing if he was a phenomenal player. But the windbag lead the league in dropped passes, didn't he?

He needs to just shut his trap and show some respect to a man who has more than earned it. Comparing him to his grandmother? WTF is that? Crass.

He should pray every minute of every day that he's even blessed to still be around the game at all.

::shakes head in disgust::

You know, I constantly wonder why he's even still in the league? Why do they keep him?

[silverwhisper]

b/c everyone wants a deep threat. of course, even now, so does dallas... :D

but yeah, you'd think after his antics in philly, nobody would want that cancer in their locker room.

[carmachu]

but yeah, you'd think after his antics in philly, nobody would want that cancer in their locker room.


As long as he's healthy and can play well.....there will always be someone in the league either desperate enough or stupid enough to take him.....

[silverwhisper]

i think it would be funny to see him and randy moss on the same team. think al davis likes TO?

[carmachu]

Better ask Johnson I'd think if he likes Moss....

[BattleNymph]

i think it would be funny to see him and randy moss on the same team. think al davis likes TO?

*has enticing visions of Al Davis and TO cutting each others throats*

I like that idea. :D

[Chris]

i think it would be funny to see him and randy moss on the same team. think al davis likes TO?

Don't stop there. Go for the Holy Triumvirate <cacophonous organ music> and toss Ocho Cinco in there as well. ;)

[carmachu]

Come on, where the hell is pauly to respond here?

[Detritus]

You know, I constantly wonder why he's even still in the league? Why do they keep him?
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RECTDS/2006/regular

[Chris]

The only category on that chart that he's setting at #1 on is TD catches. And only by 1.

All other categories he's surpassed by others. And handily in many.

[Wook]

There's one category on there that he also led the league in... Drops. Despite that he's still a player worth having it's just that ater what happened in Philly you keep him on a short leash with a serated choke collar so that he knows the consequences if he steps out of line. :sawink2:

[Chris]

There's one category on there that he also led the league in... Drops.
Yeah, I made mention of that earlier.

All told, I'd much rather have someone like Harrison. TO has too much baggage that doesn't make up for his scoring, IMO.

[Detritus]

The only category on that chart that he's setting at #1 on is TD catches. And only by 1.

All other categories he's surpassed by others. And handily in many.
So your argument against TO is that he's only leading the league in one statistical category (of the good kind)? Owens has never had the stickiest hands, but I might cut him a bit of slack given that he's played with a couple of screws in one of his hands for most of the season.

The guy is an accomplished receiver, one of the most accomplished and effective playing today. That's why teams keep signing him, even with all the other crap, because he isn't a hack, and is actually one of the best receivers in the league. There's always going to be someone willing to take the gamble as long as he can produce. Whether that's wise, I leave up to you.

[Wook]

I can certainly be wise. It depends on the contract. You have to make sure that if he goes all funky on you that you have the means to axe him cold and dead without ceremony or pomp. As long as you have that there's no reason NOT to sign him. Especially if you have a coach who can properly manage the situation. (Andy Reid, not so much. Bill Parcells, preally easily.)

[Starhawk]

Don't stop there. Go for the Holy Triumvirate <cacophonous organ music> and toss Ocho Cinco in there as well. ;)

But who could they afford to throw to those three assholes?

Jeff George?
Ryan Leaf?

[carmachu]

But who could they afford to throw to those three assholes?

Jeff George?
Ryan Leaf?
Does it matter? They'll beat each other up deciding who gets the ball...

[Paulypalooza]

Come on, where the hell is pauly to respond here?
I was in mourning

So your argument against TO is that he's only leading the league in one statistical category (of the good kind)? Owens has never had the stickiest hands, but I might cut him a bit of slack given that he's played with a couple of screws in one of his hands for most of the season.

The guy is an accomplished receiver, one of the most accomplished and effective playing today. That's why teams keep signing him, even with all the other crap, because he isn't a hack, and is actually one of the best receivers in the league. There's always going to be someone willing to take the gamble as long as he can produce. Whether that's wise, I leave up to you.
that being said can you ever think of when the leagues leader in TD receptions had such a small impact on the team he played for?

[Wook]

I was in mourning


that being said can you ever think of when the leagues leader in TD receptions had such a small impact on the team he played for?

Parcell's doesn't like mistakes and tha'ts what dropped passes are. In the seoncd half Glenn got a lot more calls to him than TO and TO played the decoy quite a bit because it's not likeyou can ignore him ya know? That and the Barber/Jones backfield got more attention and calls at the goal line too.

[Paulypalooza]

Parcell's doesn't like mistakes and tha'ts what dropped passes are. In the seoncd half Glenn got a lot more calls to him than TO and TO played the decoy quite a bit because it's not likeyou can ignore him ya know?

I was predicting that Parcells would be back next year and TO because of those dropped balls, along with all the crap off the field, wouldn't.

That and the Barber/Jones backfield got more attention and calls at the goal line too.
Parcells has always been a run first guy and Barber was second only to LT in TDs. I've always said if something works you keep doing it till it doesnt.

[Detritus]

that being said can you ever think of when the leagues leader in TD receptions had such a small impact on the team he played for?
How are you assessing the relative impact of Owens vs. other league leaders in TD receptions? For that matter, who led the league in TD receptions in, say, 2004? Could you answer that without looking? I don't think I could come up with anything more than an educated guess.

[Wook]

Every team has a "go to guy" when they get close to the endzone. When it counts TO get's the damn ball. He's caught more TD's than most receivers will ever dream of and he does it better than almost any other receiver in the game. Now if only Jerry Rice had been able instill humility with all that work ethic.

[carmachu]

But lately ****, he's dropped more than a few passes...are really AS confident when its on the line and it counts, today?

[Detritus]

Norv Turner is the seventh coach to interview (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/01/28/cowboys.turner.ap/index.html) for the Cowboys' head coach vacancy.

[carmachu]

Hey Parcels in a very very big shoe to fill.....

[Paulypalooza]

How are you assessing the relative impact of Owens vs. other league leaders in TD receptions?

Somebody who leads the league in TDs should be very reliable when it comes to making that tough third down catch to keep a drive alive, and draw a lot of double coverage to help other receivers get open as well as the running game. Somebody the defense is down right terrified of

IMHO TO wasn't that guy.

[Paulypalooza]

Norv Turner is the seventh coach to interview (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/01/28/cowboys.turner.ap/index.html) for the Cowboys' head coach vacancy.

Turner has already proven to me that after going 59-83-1 over nine years as a head coach with Washington and Oakland that while he is an excellent offensive coordinator he is not a head coach.

[carmachu]

Well, you cant hold Oakland against him. THe owner is still living in the 80's.....

[Detritus]

Somebody who leads the league in TDs should be very reliable when it comes to making that tough third down catch to keep a drive alive, and draw a lot of double coverage to help other receivers get open as well as the running game. Somebody the defense is down right terrified of

IMHO TO wasn't that guy.
TO wasn't at the level of the 2005 Steve Smith, but his stats are virtually identical to Marvin Harrison's 2004 season. Other Colts receivers scored 34 times that season, too. The year Muhsin Muhammad caught 16 scores he was relatively quiet the first half of the season before going ape shit in the second half. Randy Moss was a scary deep threat but not always the 3rd down guy, especially the rookie Randy Moss -- Cris Carter was the drive-sustainer for the Vikes that year.

TO might be the lowest-impact league leader in TD catches ever, but it's not immediately obvious that is the case given what other such leaders have done in the years they led the league.

[Detritus]

I found a list of TD reception leaders (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/rct.htm). I didn't realize Muhammad's 16-TD season was the same year that Harrison grabbed 15, the year Manning went ape with the TD passes. TO this year probably isn't the lowest-impact guy, but he's towards the bottom in terms of impact, I would guess. Even this list doesn't give that great of a measure of impact as we've been talking about it, though.

[Paulypalooza]

I thought I was going to have to fight you tooth and nail if I was going to get you to agree with me on that


where does that saying come from anyway?

[Detritus]

I thought I was going to have to fight you tooth and nail if I was going to get you to agree with me on that.
Well, I don't think I would agree with "lowest impact ever," which was the original statement. One of the guys on the list I linked to had less than 40 catches for a full season, for example. TO's season this year is fairly similar in terms of stats to a lot of the other seasons that make the list.

[Wook]

After putzing around on the site Det linked I have come to the conclusiont hat Jerry Rice was the best thing to ever happen to an offense in teh NFL... All time touchdown, catches, yards from scrimmage leads are his. DAYUM!!!

[Detritus]

After putzing around on the site Det linked I have come to the conclusiont hat Jerry Rice was the best thing to ever happen to an offense in teh NFL... All time touchdown, catches, yards from scrimmage leads are his. DAYUM!!!
He was pretty good. The year that he caught the 22 TDs was a strike year, so the real pros only played 12 games that season.

[Starhawk]

But, like Emmitt Smith, he hung around LONG after he should have retired.

[Paulypalooza]

But, like Emmitt Smith, he hung around LONG after he should have retired.

I agree, if you are a shoo-in for the hall of fame and your team cuts you it's time to hang em' up

[Wook]

I agree, if you are a shoo-in for the hall of fame and your team cuts you it's time to hang em' up

Up until the last 2 years of his carerr he was, in his 40's, as good as one of the non-elite #1 receivers in the league. He may have hung around too long but not by very much...

[Paulypalooza]

and the search continues

IRVING, Texas - Now that the Super Bowl and all of the weekend's festivities are history, the Cowboys can get back to the business of finding their next head coach.

Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones, who flew back to Dallas late Sunday after Super Bowl XLI, is expected to make a headfirst dive back into the coaching search this week.

While there have been reports the Cowboys could be close to making an announcement early this week, it might be closer to the end of the week before a final decision is made.

The Cowboys have already interviewed eight candidates and could meet with a pair of assistant coaches from the Super Bowl that were off-limits from contact before the game.

The Cowboys are expected to interview Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and Colts assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell this week, possibly as early as Tuesday and Wednesday.

Both coaches reportedly flew back to their respective cities Monday following the Colts' 29-17 win over Chicago Sunday night in Miami.

Rivera, a former NFL linebacker with the Bears for nine seasons (1984-92), has run Chicago's defense for the last three years.

"I think it's my time," Rivera told reporters following Sunday's loss to the Colts. "I will see how it unfolds. I have done what I needed to do. It's up to the owners and what they want. We will see what happens."

Since his contract will officially expire on Feb. 20, Rivera could ultimately end up in Dallas as the defensive coordinator, if he doesn't land the head coaching job. However, the Cowboys can meet with Rivera only about the head coaching position until Feb. 20. That is unless the Bears decide to grant the Cowboys permission to speak with Rivera about either position.

Caldwell has been Peyton Manning's quarterbacks coach the last five years in Indianapolis, after spending one year in Tampa Bay as the quarterback coach. Caldwell's only experience as a head coach came at Wake Forest, where he spent seven years with the Demon Deacons.

The Cowboys have already interviewed eight candidates to replace Bill Parcells, who announced his retirement on Jan. 22. Since then, Jones has met with four offensive-minded coaches and four with defensive backgrounds.

Of the eight, it appears only a handful, if that many, remain legitimate contenders.

Norv Turner, the current 49ers offensive coordinator who has nine years of NFL head coaching experience at Washington and Oakland, along with four other stints as offensive coordinator, including three years in Dallas from 1991-93, still seems to be one of the favorites.

Turner interviewed for the job on Jan. 28, ending a busy weekend that included interviews with Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and Saints defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs.

Earlier that week, the Cowboys interviewed former quarterback Jason Garrett, who had spent the last two years as the Dolphins' quarterbacks coach. With Miami only giving the Cowboys and Garrett a short time to make a decision, the Cowboys hired him to the coaching staff in an undetermined role. While the Cowboys insist Garrett remains a candidate for the head coaching job, it's likely he will become the offensive coordinator if the Cowboys go in another direction.

Before bringing in Garrett, the Cowboys met with assistants Todd Bowles, Tony Sparano and Todd Haley, who has since left the staff to become offensive coordinator in Arizona.

Bowles and Sparano are two of only five assistants remaining from last year's staff, along with defensive line coach Kacy Rodgers and linebackers coaches Paul Pasqualoni and Vincent Brown.

Speaking of linebackers, the last player to interview with the Cowboys before Jones took a break from the search last Thursday was arguably one of the best linebackers in NFL history. The Cowboys spent all day last Tuesday with Mike Singletary, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame who has spent the last two years as the 49ers' assistant head coach. Singletary only has four years of coaching experience, spending two years in Baltimore as the inside linebackers coach.

However, Singletary always was one of the NFL's most intense players and it appears he has brought that intensity to the sidelines as well. Before getting back into coaching, Singletary spent 10 years as a motivational speaker and even had similar responsibilities with the 49ers over the last two years.

After his interview in Dallas, Singletary said he only interviewed for the head coaching position and said he didn't anticipate coming to the Cowboys in any other role. While his official his title is assistant head coach/defense, he could possibly land the defensive coordinator position in Dallas, assuming San Francisco grants permission for him to speak with the Cowboys in a non-head coaching role.

The 49ers had a vacancy at defensive coordinator and did not interview Singletary for the position before finally settling on Greg Manusky. However, it appears Singletary remains one of the top candidates for the head coaching job in Dallas.

Last Wednesday, Jones said he would continue his coaching search after the Super Bowl and make the best decision rather than rush just to have a coach in place.

"I feel very good. We've spent a lot of time and I know our fans expect me to and you expect me to, and we've spent a lot of time in each interview," Jones said last week. "And I've been very thorough and they've been very thorough with me. I like good feedback from when I'm talking to an individual about where he's been and where he's going. So all of that I'm very pleased with. I feel very comfortable with where we are. But if I can I don't want to leave a stone unturned here."

Even if it means turning a few more of those stones this week

[silverwhisper]

singletary? damn!

[Parzival]

Ddin't Jones say that any of a hundred coaches could take the Cowboys to the Superbowl?

How many years ago was that?

<grin> Too bad you can't fire the owner.

[Wook]

With an offensive core of Aikman, Smith, and Irvin any of a hundred coaches COULD HAVE taken that team to the super bowl. Then <> now.

[Archer]

I you could fire the owner, it'd be possible to hire a good coach. As it is....


Jerry Jones wants to be head coach. I think he just needs to bite the bullet and appoint himself. Until he gets it out of his system and figures out for sure that he can't do it, he's going to continue to have problems in the organization.

Jones thinks the modern day NFL can be won consistently by putting together a 1960's college-style offense. he needs to get over that notion.

[Parzival]

With an offensive core of Aikman, Smith, and Irvin any of a hundred coaches COULD HAVE taken that team to the super bowl. Then <> now.
He got his first pick of coaches. And won a whopping one Superbowl, that one on momentum.
After that, the wheels fell off.

Truth to tell, I was never very impressed by the three stars you named. Their O-line was one of the most dominant in the history of the game, and allowed their skill positions to overachieve.

[Dr. Mercury]

Jerry Jones wants to be head coach. I think he just needs to bite the bullet and appoint himself. Until he gets it out of his system and figures out for sure that he can't do it, he's going to continue to have problems in the organization.
In another sport, another owner had to learn that lesson the hard way. Ted Turner managed the Atlanta Braves briefly in the early 1980s, and he got laughed off the field. Some sports owners have more ego than brains.

[silverwhisper]

saw a rumor they want wade phillips--anybody able to confirm/deny?

[Detritus]

saw a rumor they want wade phillips--anybody able to confirm/deny?
ESPN is reporting it so (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2758164). SI.com has a similar report. Sounds like an offer has been made, but a deal is yet to be finalized.

I gotta say, Wade Phillips?!

[Zayda]

CNN is reporting (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16877020/) that as well.

[silverwhisper]

interesting. color me surprised.

maybe jones wants someone he feels he can control--unlike parcells?

[Paulypalooza]

maybe jones wants someone he feels he can control--unlike parcells?

unfortunately I'm sure that played no small part in the decision.

[Wook]

It's confirmed. My co-worker suggested the theory that Jones had to find a coach that was willing to work with the staff Jones already has in place rather than bringing in his own team. A cobbled together coaching staff is NOT a good idea though... (Has memories of Buddy Ryan bringing TO-esque levels of drama to the eagles sidelines...)